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BG or Cholesterol Level

chrispem

chrispem

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I was told by my GP I had raised Cholesterol levels and given an appointment with a dietician because I said I wouldn't take statins.
After explaining my full medical history and being congratulated on my BG control (Type 2) I was told to eat more carbs and less fat to combat my cholesterol levels. Has anybody any tips on the best carbs for this?
 
chrispem said:
I was told by my GP I had raised Cholesterol levels and given an appointment with a dietician because I said I wouldn't take statins.
After explaining my full medical history and being congratulated on my BG control (Type 2) I was told to eat more carbs and less fat to combat my cholesterol levels. Has anybody any tips on the best carbs for this?
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Hi
Some members have mentioned here that the use statins can raises the level of blood sugar please be cerfull
 
Do you know the breakdown of your lipid profile? It would be useful to know know not only your total cholesterol but also LDL, HDL and triglycerides.
 
I was on a cholesterol lowering diet for almost two years before diagnosis my weight reached 264lb before I stopped weighing myself - my test results are somehow not recorded - but after diagnosis and starting to eat low carb my cholesterol results reduced - the first time it happened I was told that it was a delayed response to all the carbs I'd eaten. Yeah right.
 
Dr Snoddy said:
Do you know the breakdown of your lipid profile? It would be useful to know know not only your total cholesterol but also LDL, HDL and triglycerides.
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I only received the total of 7.2 during a repeat visit to my GP. The visit was dur=e to a sudden increase in my BP (170/90) which I think was down to a dodgy Tuna steak. After he entered my BP and Cholesterol into a sort of spreadsheet
 
chrispem said:
I only received the total of 7.2 during a repeat visit to my GP. The visit was dur=e to a sudden increase in my BP (170/90) which I think was down to a dodgy Tuna steak. After he entered my BP and Cholesterol into a sort of spreadsheet
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which came out with a 22% chance of heart attack or stroke within the next 10years. Sobering thought (I'm 62) so I agreed to take the Statin. If my current average HBA1C rises I'll be off them straight away. In the mean time I'm trying to strike a balance between Low Carb and Low Fat.
 
chrispem said:
which came out with a 22% chance of heart attack or stroke within the next 10years. Sobering thought (I'm 62) so I agreed to take the Statin. If my current average HBA1C rises I'll be off them straight away. In the mean time I'm trying to strike a balance between Low Carb and Low Fat.
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Statistical manipulation rather than sobering thought.
Low fat probably won't help you'll just get hungry and re-introducing carbs will send up your HbA1c.
Did you watch any of the stuff in the thread that I linked to?
 
chrispem said:
I only received the total of 7.2 during a repeat visit to my GP. The visit was dur=e to a sudden increase in my BP (170/90) which I think was down to a dodgy Tuna steak. After he entered my BP and Cholesterol into a sort of spreadsheet
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chrispem said:
which came out with a 22% chance of heart attack or stroke within the next 10years. Sobering thought (I'm 62) so I agreed to take the Statin. If my current average HBA1C rises I'll be off them straight away. In the mean time I'm trying to strike a balance between Low Carb and Low Fat.
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Before taking the statins, you MUST get hold of those numbers. The total is meaningless. The total is just that - a total of the good cholesterol and the not so good cholesterol. You don't know how much good cholesterol you have, and you need to know all the ratios. You can ask for a print out of the blood test results (you are entitled to these), and if you are in England you can ask how to register to see your test results on line.

Why low fat? There is no need to increase carbs - that is more likely to make your cholesterol worse. Please have a look at the link posted by @bulkbiker in post #6
 
chrispem said:
which came out with a 22% chance of heart attack or stroke within the next 10years. Sobering thought (I'm 62) so I agreed to take the Statin. If my current average HBA1C rises I'll be off them straight away. In the mean time I'm trying to strike a balance between Low Carb and Low Fat.
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That is the Q-risk calculation, which you can look at for yourself
This is the one doctors use
https://qrisk.org/2017/

and this is the latest 2018 version.
https://qrisk.org/three/

The risk score is misleading anyway. It means you have 22% risk of heart attack compared to others that have exactly the same criteria as yourself. It does not mean you have a 22% risk compared to the whole population. There is a huge difference. Look at those calculations and have a play around with them. They are illuminating and a load of rubbish.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Before taking the statins, you MUST get hold of those numbers. The total is meaningless. The total is just that - a total of the good cholesterol and the not so good cholesterol. You don't know how much good cholesterol you have, and you need to know all the ratios. You can ask for a print out of the blood test results (you are entitled to these), and if you are in England you can ask how to register to see your test results on line.

Why low fat? There is no need to increase carbs - that is more likely to make your cholesterol worse. Please have a look at the link posted by @bulkbiker in post #6
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Many thanks for your reply, I'll pursue the detailed blood test reading as you suggest, and follow bulkbiker's link.
 
bulkbiker said:
Statistical manipulation rather than sobering thought.
Low fat probably won't help you'll just get hungry and re-introducing carbs will send up your HbA1c.
Did you watch any of the stuff in the thread that I linked to?
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Thank you greatly for the link, knowledge is power.
 
Lots of debate and not much consensus on this forum on whether cholesterol levels are a marker for cardiovascular health. What is certain, however, is that elevated BGs are very bad for you; cause all sorts of horrible complications, especially cardiovascular ones (it’s the leading cause of death for diabetics)

So, I think it’s more important to make sure your BGs are good, rather than cholesterol. Although if you can do both, then great!
 
SamJB said:
Lots of debate and not much consensus on this forum on whether cholesterol levels are a marker for cardiovascular health. What is certain, however, is that elevated BGs are very bad for you; cause all sorts of horrible complications, especially cardiovascular ones (it’s the leading cause of death for diabetics)

So, I think it’s more important to make sure your BGs are good, rather than cholesterol. Although if you can do both, then great!
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SamJB, many thanks for you reply. Having now followed some of the links in the thread - a potential 1% decrease in risk of CVD opposed to a potential increase in diabetic management problems, mean I will not be taking the statins.
 
As a side point my annual travel insurance wasn’t much fussed about my T2 diagnosis after I answered questions about not being hospitalised at all for it and never having been “told to take statins”. Last test we had a discussion about them and I stated my non interest and why. Gp agreed to wait and see before recommending any action other than diet and exercise.

I wonder what would happen if this changes to being told to take them but I refuse. That’s not the same as being prescribed medication (taken or not) or diagnosed with a condition which is their usual criteria. Perhaps I’ll just ask not to be tested
 
chrispem said:
I only received the total of 7.2 during a repeat visit to my GP. The visit was dur=e to a sudden increase in my BP (170/90) which I think was down to a dodgy Tuna steak. After he entered my BP and Cholesterol into a sort of spreadsheet
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Did the "spreadsheet" have questions about your exercise regime or your diet, wether you down 8 pints of beer a night, is there a history of heart problems in your family?
No?
It's just a computer guessing, not treating you as an individual, and as such it is a waste of time.
 
chrispem said:
After explaining my full medical history and being congratulated on my BG control (Type 2) I was told to eat more carbs and less fat to combat my cholesterol levels. Has anybody any tips on the best carbs for this?
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Hi Chris,
I received exactly the same advice. Declined the stains and at my next appointment my bg was down significantly but cholesterol was up.
Of course it was my body had lost a lot of weight by breaking down fat suplies to compensate for the lack of sugar and this is what was showing up in my bloods. A temporary situation not an indication of a long term condition.

Once again offered the stains and when I declined I received the eat more carbs and less dairy red meat and eat low fat. I ignored it completely and kept going the way I was going. Latest check in was last week and cholesterol is down 2 whole points Diebeties is still reversed. ;)

AND I have never shared this on here before but my grey hair has turned brown again.
That happen to any one else??:woot:
:bag:
 
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