Big spikes

LWood88

Member
Messages
17
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hello everyone x

I’m nearly diagnosed 9 days ago, trying me on meds first and perhaps insulin on Tuesday. However my levels are all over the place - please see. Imagine. I take it 4 times a day before meals. Today it was 8.4 then 8.1 then at 4.30pm it dropped to 6 then 1hr 30 after before tea it was 13.3 yet I hadn’t had anything to eat and only drank sugar free drinks - is this normal to spike to much? I’m on the strongest dose possible in regards to medication....
IMG_1522607551.944035.jpg
 

Antje77

Oracle
Retired Moderator
Messages
19,486
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hello, and welcome on the forum!

It's early days for you, please take your time to learn. Your blood sugars are for the biggest part a result of what you've been eating. I'm tagging @daisy1 for you, as she can explain it much better than I can. If you've been eating a lot of carbs with your meals, your numbers may improve a lot with a change in diet, even whithout insulin.
Good luck!
 

urbanracer

Expert
Retired Moderator
Messages
5,187
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Not being able to eat as many chocolate digestives as I used to.
Hi Lwood88,

The numbers are hugely dependent on what you've eaten and how much (in terms of carbohydrates). Without that knowledge it's very difficult for anyone here to offer any meaningful advice.

Nice handwriting though, my records never looked that neat in the pre-Libre days.:)
 
  • Like
Reactions: EllieM

LWood88

Member
Messages
17
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Thank you both. I’ve made sure anything I eat is very low in sugar or sugar free. Didn’t know about the carbs - the doctors haven’t even spoken to me about anything, just said test 4 times a day and they’ll ring me regularly - next tue is the next call, it’s hard work isn’t it :-( they think it’s my mental health medication that has caused it and they’re not sure if I’m type 1 or 2 which isn’t helpful! X
 

urbanracer

Expert
Retired Moderator
Messages
5,187
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Not being able to eat as many chocolate digestives as I used to.
Thank you both. I’ve made sure anything I eat is very low in sugar or sugar free. Didn’t know about the carbs - the doctors haven’t even spoken to me about anything, just said test 4 times a day and they’ll ring me regularly - next tue is the next call, it’s hard work isn’t it :-( they think it’s my mental health medication that has caused it and they’re not sure if I’m type 1 or 2 which isn’t helpful! X

Ah! Well all carbohydrates turn into glucose once you've swallowed them so you'll need to think beyond sugar I'm afraid.

At the next call, ask your doc about carbs and until then, try to cut down a little on foodstuffs like rice, pasta, bread and potato.
 

LWood88

Member
Messages
17
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Thank you so much! Knowledge is invaluable. Much appreciated x
 

urbanracer

Expert
Retired Moderator
Messages
5,187
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Not being able to eat as many chocolate digestives as I used to.
Thank you so much! Knowledge is invaluable. Much appreciated x

We can give you so much more, but one step at a time.

Don't overlook all the information pages on the front end of this website, there's some good stuff in there.

Have a read of the forums and come back with more questions if you need help.
 

LWood88

Member
Messages
17
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Thank you. What is weird is I got fed up earlier so had some chocolate and my
Levels actually came down by a couple. Why would that be? Shouldn’t that have made it go up?
 
  • Like
Reactions: gemma_T1

urbanracer

Expert
Retired Moderator
Messages
5,187
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Not being able to eat as many chocolate digestives as I used to.
Thank you. What is weird is I got fed up earlier so had some chocolate and my
Levels actually came down by a couple. Why would that be? Shouldn’t that have made it go up?

In theory yes, but again, it would depend how much you ate. Maybe your body can cope with a couple of squares but not a whole bar in one go.

Also I'm sorry to be pedantic, but you'll need to be clear what units you are working in. In the UK we generally refer to milli mol (mmol) and in the US they seem to prefer milligrams per decilitre (mg/dl). The scales are completely different so when you say 'levels came down by a couple' it would be useful to have the extra info. Our little home test meters are not as accurate as you might hope so allow for +/- 15% in accuracy,
 

daisy1

Legend
Messages
26,457
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Cruelty towards animals.
@LWood88

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

EllieM

Moderator
Staff Member
Messages
9,327
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
Dislikes
forum bugs
they’re not sure if I’m type 1 or 2 which isn’t helpful!

Well, if you're Type 2 you should be able to make a lot of progress by avoiding carbs and potentially reduce or come off meds. If you're Type 1 you'll eventually stop producing insulin and have to start injecting.... Either way, you should get lots of support and help from these forums.
 

CrankyKat

Well-Known Member
Messages
63
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hello everyone x

I’m nearly diagnosed 9 days ago, trying me on meds first and perhaps insulin on Tuesday. However my levels are all over the place - please see. Imagine. I take it 4 times a day before meals. Today it was 8.4 then 8.1 then at 4.30pm it dropped to 6 then 1hr 30 after before tea it was 13.3 yet I hadn’t had anything to eat and only drank sugar free drinks - is this normal to spike to much? I’m on the strongest dose possible in regards to medication....View attachment 25970

This looks exactly what my numbers were like before I was put on insulin except it took my doctors 8 MONTHS for them to sort it out for me!

To help keep your bloods under a somewhat even keel before Tuesday is eating low carb foods like salad... I know it’s boring but will help as s temp solution.

I hope they sort you out soon xxx
 

LWood88

Member
Messages
17
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Thank you Daisy and Ellie. Doesn’t seem to matter what I do or change my numbers won’t come down :( so fed up.
 

catapillar

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,390
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Why have you crossed out testing 2 hours after you eat? That's the way to figure out if you can deal with the food you eat, or not.

What mmedication are you actually on?
 

Resurgam

Expert
Messages
9,868
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
If you do prove to be type two and are as lucky as I am, by eating a low carb diet you will lower your blood glucose levels.
If you are following the usual guidelines and eating 'healthy' carbs then it might prove problematic.
Try eating meat with a stirfry of mushrooms courgette and sweet pepper, drinking coffee with double cream, if you like fish try a salad with tuna or smoked fish with cauliflower, or steam some cauliflower and put cream cheese and grated cheese over it, then keep it warm until the cheese melts - I like red Leicester for that.
The normal way to test is to take a reading just before the meal and then two hours after starting to eat. If the level is up more than two whole numbers then you are eating more carbs than you can cope with. I did that at first, but once I got down to 8 mmol/l after meals I just tested that, then just tested after my evening meal -to see if I was OK to have berries and cream or not.
Some type ones eat low carb to keep the amount of insulin they require from ramping up and it is also useful for weightloss for many.
 

LWood88

Member
Messages
17
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Yes the hospital crossed out those parts on the diary and told me to do it 4 times before meals and bed...I’m on Metformin 500mg twice a day and glicizide 160mg twice a day