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Mongoose39uk said:
While I can see your point to some extent I can't say that I always trust GP's
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I have learned that the best way to treat a HCP is" I will take that to avisandum" ie "I will take that under advisement". That is I do not blindly believe or disbelieve them, rather I go away and research what is said, and make up my mind depending on what I find. 8)
 
brett said:
Good advice for one person is bad advice for another. sometimes though there is very bad advice given which could have serious consequences. sometimes though, questions are asked without complete background info which would have bearing on the answer.
Its a forum, a place for people with one common problem. Diabetes can have a massive impact on health and cause numerous other conditions, which everyone will not have though many will. This forum offers a support system for people to discuss/ask/answer.
should be taken as read that any advice given its just that, and always discuss with you own healthcare pro before doing anything.

Must admit though getting a bit fed up at the mo as there have been alot less supportive, helpful threads of late, resulting in quite heated discussions, which unfortunately I have been Involved in.

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Well I am glad somone agrees with me that anything new should be discussed with your healthcare pro and not just jump headlong into doing something just because it works for other people
 
Hi Maybird,

I always liken dietary advice to the same principle if you ask advice on buying a car.

Some people will sing the praises of a make and model and some people will even go as far as describing the colour you should opt for. They will find 101 articles that will validate what they are saying but they do not look for any articles that will say the opposite. Others will describe two or three cars that may suit your requirement. Only you have the final decision and the best advice is to research and find one that suits you. It is exactly the same with a plan for eating, what suits you and what will bring your blood sugars under control.

As regards statins, I could not take them as they crippled me. Others can tolerate them with no side effects. It all boils down to research and how you interpret it. It is best to look for articles for and against and then you get a more rounded picture. It is also best to be prepared for the side effects IMHO because some Drs. will brush aside serious side effects. Not all Drs. are open to discussion and will follow text books. A good Dr. will listen to a patient, will not always blame the patient as non compliant and can offer a blood test to see if statins are not for you. Drs. responses to patients vary enormously and gone are the days when patients believed that the Dr. was always right and you should worship them like Gods.

If there was one diet that could control diabetes then there would be no worries for any of us but we have different genetics, metabolism, stressors and other illness that may effect our control because of the prescribed medications that we take for them. We also have food preferences and I cannot see the sense of eating something that you dislike because somebody else tells you to eat it. You could feed the same meals to twenty people and they could all have a different response.

Just remember that opinions are like backsides, we all have one.
You might like to read this article on strong opinions.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get ... g-opinions
 
catherinecherub said:
Just remember that opinions are like backsides, we all have one.
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The way i heard it was "We all have one, but you shouldn't trumpet it in everyone's face" :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Maybird said:
I do worry about some not very good advice given on here, I thought the forum was about encouragement and support and mostly it is but there are some very self opinionated members who seem to be hell bent on trying to frighten people into doing what they do as they think their way has got to be the right way

...

So the advice that should be given on this forum should be always check things with your GP or DN before you do it
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Isn't the forum about people with diabetes sharing their experiences? There is a lot of encouragement and support but the key thing is most diabetics in this country are doing pretty badly with their diabetes under their current NHS care. I am a Type 1 and it is well documented that 96% of Type 1 diabetics (who get a great deal of support compared to our Type 2 brothers and sisters) fail to get HbA1c's under 6.5% (in old money). Most non-diabetics have HbA1c's under 5.5% and many have much lower than that. That is not an accident; that is a healthy body's preferred state.

In the real world then the advice from our GPs or DN is just not cutting it; the advice here is, in my opinion, far superior to the standard advice I receive under the NHS; and the key element of that advice that helped me the most was 'go low-carb'.

Now, you may be worried about that; and that is fine - it's good to worry and it's good to think. But I humbly suggest that you are on a journey; all of our journeys start with the orthodoxy of diabetes treatment given by our HCPs and all of them must almost inevitably end with the realisation that there is a maximum amount of carbohydrates that you can safely tolerate.

All Type 2's will have different insulin sensitivity and different pancreatic function and that will probably change for the individual over time so I completely agree that one person's 'safe level' of carbs is not going to necessarily work for another person or that same person 10 years down the line.

Where none of us are different though is that we all have a chronic inability to process blood glucose and that inevitably leads to a self evident conclusion.

Even if low-carbing was not the best way to manage diabetes (which it is) there is no harm recommending it as a lifestyle choice because there is no proper documented evidence that it causes health problems; I'm very concerned about my health and I really would not be doing something that put me, or was likely to put me at risk so I'm very sensitive to this.

It goes without saying I hope that no one feels that anyone is forcing people to do anything; I wonder how suggestable someone needs to be to obey unquestioningly instructions on an anonymous public forum?

A forum is somewhere to exchange and discuss ideas; you are essentially saying 'I don't like all these ideas being exchanged and discussed'. Do you see a problem with that approach and using the forum?

By the way what 'not very good advice' are you worried about? If there is something specific I'm sure people would be happy to discuss it with you.

Best

Dillinger
 
Dillinger said:
Maybird said:
I do worry about some not very good advice given on here, I thought the forum was about encouragement and support and mostly it is but there are some very self opinionated members who seem to be hell bent on trying to frighten people into doing what they do as they think their way has got to be the right way

...

So the advice that should be given on this forum should be always check things with your GP or DN before you do it
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Isn't the forum about people with diabetes sharing their experiences? There is a lot of encouragement and support but the key thing is most diabetics in this country are doing pretty badly with their diabetes under their current NHS care. I am a Type 1 and it is well documented that 96% of Type 1 diabetics (who get a great deal of support compared to our Type 2 brothers and sisters) fail to get HbA1c's under 6.5% (in old money). Most non-diabetics have HbA1c's under 5.5% and many have much lower than that. That is not an accident; that is a healthy body's preferred state.

In the real world then the advice from our GPs or DN is just not cutting it; the advice here is, in my opinion, far superior to the standard advice I receive under the NHS; and the key element of that advice that helped me the most was 'go low-carb'.

Now, you may be worried about that; and that is fine - it's good to worry and it's good to think. But I humbly suggest that you are on a journey; all of our journeys start with the orthodoxy of diabetes treatment given by our HCPs and all of them must almost inevitably end with the realisation that there is a maximum amount of carbohydrates that you can safely tolerate.

All Type 2's will have different insulin sensitivity and different pancreatic function and that will probably change for the individual over time so I completely agree that one person's 'safe level' of carbs is not going to necessarily work for another person or that same person 10 years down the line.

Where none of us are different though is that we all have a chronic inability to process blood glucose and that inevitably leads to a self evident conclusion.

Even if low-carbing was not the best way to manage diabetes (which it is) there is no harm recommending it as a lifestyle choice because there is no proper documented evidence that it causes health problems; I'm very concerned about my health and I really would not be doing something that put me, or was likely to put me at risk so I'm very sensitive to this.

It goes without saying I hope that no one feels that anyone is forcing people to do anything; I wonder how suggestable someone needs to be to obey unquestioningly instructions on an anonymous public forum?

A forum is somewhere to exchange and discuss ideas; you are essentially saying 'I don't like all these ideas being exchanged and discussed'. Do you see a problem with that approach and using the forum?

By the way what 'not very good advice' are you worried about? If there is something specific I'm sure people would be happy to discuss it with you.

Best

Dillinger
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"LIKE" :thumbup:
 
nomistheman said:
It's unfortunate that it seems that Diabetes is not as well understood by GPs and Practice Nurses as it should be. I will add that the specialists - Diabetic Nurses, endocrinologists, etc are generally much better.
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My GP informed me that he went on a diabetes course and that as part of the course they went around a supermarket looking at the food labels. My DN was very proud of her A Level in biology where she doubtless learned about the life cycle of a buttercup and the sex life of a cabbage white butterfly.

Thankfully, they are both gone now. One into retirement and the other exiled to our town's equivalent of Siberia. The new setup seem to have forgotton all about me. I have had no blood tests for nearly a year, no diabetic clinic and no CHD clinic.

Still, they've built a nice new reception area, replacing the original as the purpose built practice is now nearly ten years old. I think they did it so that you could no longer see the Undertakers opposite whilst sitting in the waiting room.
 
Yorksman said:
Still, they've built a nice new reception area, replacing the original as the purpose built practice is now nearly ten years old. I think they did it so that you could no longer see the Undertakers opposite whilst sitting in the waiting room.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Nobody is an expert.. Whether it is gp's, consultants, dsn's or us here on this forum.

We have to realise that Medical persons have been taught through text books and 10 minutes whith varying diabetic members of our population. If we had stuck with diets from 80 years back we would sll (including children) be drinking whisky and eating lettuce still. Medicine is still in its infancy, as we get more unusual good and bad foods in our diet.. Opinions change... How many people remeber Edwina Curries faux pau on eggs.. When the adverts always used to tell us to go to work on an egg!!

We are all individuals and there will never be someting that works for us al. We should research and listen or read to advice, but find out what works for us.

Its a shame to fall out with people because their advice or lifestyle is different to our own.

I think we should all just be mindful of how we term our words on any forum.

I was told by a consultant that I would lose my licence and I deserved to... Another consultant listened to me very intently and came up with another opinion. Members on this forum had the same reactions to my then predicament. Some helped me enormously, for which I will always be grateful to them... Some were the opposite. At the end of the day, I did what I thought right with my lovely consultant and did not lose my license.... I could have bowed down to the 1st consultant shouting at me and the less nice comments here... But I didn't. I had fantastic help here from some very, very supportive people that have really helped me enormously.

Its up to the individuals seeking advice to form their own opinions and find out what works for them.

The most important thing for all of us is to be mindful of others and to find out what gives us as individual the best results...
W
 
Maybird said:
I do worry about some not very good advice given on here, I thought the forum was about encouragement and support and mostly it is but there are some very self opinonated members who seem to be hell bent on trying to frighten people into doing what they do as they think their way has got to be the right way
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Maybird, the forum is and always has been about encouragement and support. The 'opinionated members' you refer to probably mean well but don't put themselves across too well, most low-carbers on the forum don't feel that they need to push their view or shout about their diet and appreciate that everyone is different.... meaning they know too well that a low-carb diet isn't for everyone.

When I joined the forum 5 years ago I appreciated the help and advice I received, I started off on low(ish)-carb diet but knew this wasn't sustainable in the long-term so gradually increased my carb level whilst carefully monitoring my bg, through experience, reading and completing a carb counting course I managed to bring my Hba1 down and now have very few high's and low's as I did before, it's all about finding what works for the individual rather than following what everyone else does, as a type 1 I don't see the need to restrict carbs any more than you need to....

As for people advising members on medication and such, it does say in the forum rules that this isn't tolerated and members should always seek the advice of their HCP's, over the years I've seen some shocking advice to the point that the Admin & Mods have had to intervene, if you see anything that concerns you then you should report the post using the triangle or send a pm to a moderator or member of Admin.

As we always say on the forum we are all different and what works for one doesn't always work for another, so do stay around :)
 
noblehead said:
Maybird said:
I do worry about some not very good advice given on here, I thought the forum was about encouragement and support and mostly it is but there are some very self opinonated members who seem to be hell bent on trying to frighten people into doing what they do as they think their way has got to be the right way
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Maybird, the forum is and always has been about encouragement and support. The 'opinionated members' you refer to probably mean well but don't put themselves across too well, most low-carbers on the forum don't feel that they need to push their view or shout about their diet and appreciate that everyone is different.... meaning they know too well that a low-carb diet isn't for everyone.

When I joined the forum 5 years ago I appreciated the help and advice I received, I started off on low(ish)-carb diet but knew this wasn't sustainable in the long-term so gradually increased my carb level whilst carefully monitoring my bg, through experience, reading and completing a carb counting course I managed to bring my Hba1 down and now have very few high's and low's as I did before, it's all about finding what works for the individual rather than following what everyone else does, as a type 1 I don't see the need to restrict carbs any more than you need to....

As for people advising members on medication and such, it does say in the forum rules that this isn't tolerated and members should always seek the advice of their HCP's, over the years I've seen some shocking advice to the point that the Admin & Mods have had to intervene, if you see anything that concerns you then you should report the post using the triangle or send a pm to a moderator or member of Admin.

As we always say on the forum we are all different and what works for one doesn't always work for another, so do stay around :)
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I concur with noblehead and it's an excellent post and an excellent thread :thumbup:

RRB
 
Dillinger said:
Maybird said:
I do worry about some not very good advice given on here, I thought the forum was about encouragement and support and mostly it is but there are some very self opinionated members who seem to be hell bent on trying to frighten people into doing what they do as they think their way has got to be the right way

...

So the advice that should be given on this forum should be always check things with your GP or DN before you do it
Click to expand...

Isn't the forum about people with diabetes sharing their experiences? There is a lot of encouragement and support but the key thing is most diabetics in this country are doing pretty badly with their diabetes under their current NHS care. I am a Type 1 and it is well documented that 96% of Type 1 diabetics (who get a great deal of support compared to our Type 2 brothers and sisters) fail to get HbA1c's under 6.5% (in old money). Most non-diabetics have HbA1c's under 5.5% and many have much lower than that. That is not an accident; that is a healthy body's preferred state.

In the real world then the advice from our GPs or DN is just not cutting it; the advice here is, in my opinion, far superior to the standard advice I receive under the NHS; and the key element of that advice that helped me the most was 'go low-carb'.

Now, you may be worried about that; and that is fine - it's good to worry and it's good to think. But I humbly suggest that you are on a journey; all of our journeys start with the orthodoxy of diabetes treatment given by our HCPs and all of them must almost inevitably end with the realisation that there is a maximum amount of carbohydrates that you can safely tolerate.

All Type 2's will have different insulin sensitivity and different pancreatic function and that will probably change for the individual over time so I completely agree that one person's 'safe level' of carbs is not going to necessarily work for another person or that same person 10 years down the line.

Where none of us are different though is that we all have a chronic inability to process blood glucose and that inevitably leads to a self evident conclusion.

Even if low-carbing was not the best way to manage diabetes (which it is) there is no harm recommending it as a lifestyle choice because there is no proper documented evidence that it causes health problems; I'm very concerned about my health and I really would not be doing something that put me, or was likely to put me at risk so I'm very sensitive to this.

It goes without saying I hope that no one feels that anyone is forcing people to do anything; I wonder how suggestable someone needs to be to obey unquestioningly instructions on an anonymous public forum?

A forum is somewhere to exchange and discuss ideas; you are essentially saying 'I don't like all these ideas being exchanged and discussed'. Do you see a problem with that approach and using the forum?

By the way what 'not very good advice' are you worried about? If there is something specific I'm sure people would be happy to discuss it with you.

Best

Dillinger
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No I certainly am not saying "I don't like these ideas being exchanged and discussed how how silly would that be as a forum is all about discussion
The thing I would point out is that you said that" low carbing is the best way to manage diabetes" that is misleading because that implies it is best for everyone..rewording it I would have said" Low carbing is the best way for me to manage my diabeties but may not be for everyone
As for the not very good advice that I received on here, when I mentioned a couple of times that I have a low fat diet I was told I should not worry about doing low fat but should do high fat and low carbs and I should increase the fats I have by using cream, butter,eggs full fat milk and yogurts etc. Not good advice for me and I certainly will not be doing that and I don't think my doctor would have been very impressed either if I had done that after being on a low fat diet for 8 years and being prediabetic for the last 3 of those
 
I have been diagnosed T2 for 3 years. To say I knew nothing about diabetes is putting it mildly, I never once suspected that all the stuff going on was the result of soaring blood sugar. On a visit to the doc about something quite other, she said have you had a GTT? A what? Oh, no never. Ok we will book you in for one, meanwhile jump on these scales will you? And I will take your blood pressure too. Result? T2 diabetic, oh ok...what's that about then? I got told the basics, put onto Metformin and made 3 monthly visits and....well you know. I didn't take it seriously, just thought ok this Metformin will take care of that won't it? Um, no. 3 years down the track and I am onto Glipizide and THEN I thought hmmm maybe I had better research this. The search I put in was Diabetec Medication and up came DCUK. 3 hours later I thought it's a bit late, better go to bed :wink: From that day to this I have logged in everyday. 99% of the info I know about diabetes came from you guys. I read it all, all the opinions, all the advice and all the results. So I tried full fat, very low carbs, a bit higher carbs so on.... I found I couldn't have full fat it makes me feel unwell, very low carbs cause me to hypo so through experimentation plus almost obsessive blood prick tests I have a regime I can live with. It's mostly low fat with around 80g carbs a day. Since I was diagnosed I have lost around 15kgs, I take a raft of meds and mostly feel just great even if I do rattle!

What I am saying is that this site has given me the confidence to see just exactly what suits me. How I live is good for me, it won't always be, diabetes is progressive as we all know BUT I am now familiar with my condition and I know what to do if and when it changes. I took every bit of information you guys could give me, I HAD to, I knew zilch. How I live now is due to the stuff I have learned on here plus a little bit from my most excellent doctor.

So thank you for all you varied and diverse diabetics. Thank you to Andy12345 whose comments are always given with passion and an overwhelming desire to help other people. Thank you Whitbyjet, catherinecherub and all you regular posters who have changed my life and helped me to understand that although my health isn't perfect it IS my health and for the first time in my life I can be exactly what I am supposed to be...In Charge Of Me!

Definition of Forum:

fo·rum

1.
the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
2.
a court or tribunal: the forum of public opinion.
3.
an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.
4.
the Forum, the forum in the ancient city of Rome.

The bottom line I suppose is take what you need and discard the stuff that maybe won't be so helpful. I would have been crazy to take the first advice I came across and chuck out the rest, life is all choices, it's what we are made up of every single day. Our choices are what make us what we are aren't they?
 
popsy said:
I have been diagnosed T2 for 3 years. To say I knew nothing about diabetes is putting it mildly, I never once suspected that all the stuff going on was the result of soaring blood sugar. On a visit to the doc about something quite other, she said have you had a GTT? A what? Oh, no never. Ok we will book you in for one, meanwhile jump on these scales will you? And I will take your blood pressure too. Result? T2 diabetic, oh ok...what's that about then? I got told the basics, put onto Metformin and made 3 monthly visits and....well you know. I didn't take it seriously, just thought ok this Metformin will take care of that won't it? Um, no. 3 years down the track and I am onto Glipizide and THEN I thought hmmm maybe I had better research this. The search I put in was Diabetec Medication and up came DCUK. 3 hours later I thought it's a bit late, better go to bed :wink: From that day to this I have logged in everyday. 99% of the info I know about diabetes came from you guys. I read it all, all the opinions, all the advice and all the results. So I tried full fat, very low carbs, a bit higher carbs so on.... I found I couldn't have full fat it makes me feel unwell, very low carbs cause me to hypo so through experimentation plus almost obsessive blood prick tests I have a regime I can live with. It's mostly low fat with around 80g carbs a day. Since I was diagnosed I have lost around 15kgs, I take a raft of meds and mostly feel just great even if I do rattle!

What I am saying is that this site has given me the confidence to see just exactly what suits me. How I live is good for me, it won't always be, diabetes is progressive as we all know BUT I am now familiar with my condition and I know what to do if and when it changes. I took every bit of information you guys could give me, I HAD to, I knew zilch. How I live now is due to the stuff I have learned on here plus a little bit from my most excellent doctor.

So thank you for all you varied and diverse diabetics. Thank you to Andy12345 whose comments are always given with passion and an overwhelming desire to help other people. Thank you Whitbyjet, catherinecherub and all you regular posters who have changed my life and helped me to understand that although my health isn't perfect it IS my health and for the first time in my life I can be exactly what I am supposed to be...In Charge Of Me!

Definition of Forum:

fo·rum

1.
the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
2.
a court or tribunal: the forum of public opinion.
3.
an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.
4.
the Forum, the forum in the ancient city of Rome.

The bottom line I suppose is take what you need and discard the stuff that maybe won't be so helpful. I would have been crazy to take the first advice I came across and chuck out the rest, life is all choices, it's what we are made up of every single day. Our choices are what make us what we are aren't they?
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Yes I do agree that we should take what we need from the forum and make our own choices but some people are very undecided as to what they should be doing and are willing to try anything that is suggested that works for others

I weigh it up and decide if it is for me or not and I certainly discarded the advice I was given suggesting I should change my low fat diet for a high fat one as they had done. That really shocked me that someone could suggest something that could actually be harmful for someone to change .. a high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it.
That is why I think when it comes to diet advice on here people should be careful in what they say and how they say it and should always make the point that it works for them but may not be suitable for everyone. That is why I say sometimes it's best to check with the professionals as you do not want to do anything that could be harmful to you
 
Maybird said:
popsy said:
I have been diagnosed T2 for 3 years. To say I knew nothing about diabetes is putting it mildly, I never once suspected that all the stuff going on was the result of soaring blood sugar. On a visit to the doc about something quite other, she said have you had a GTT? A what? Oh, no never. Ok we will book you in for one, meanwhile jump on these scales will you? And I will take your blood pressure too. Result? T2 diabetic, oh ok...what's that about then? I got told the basics, put onto Metformin and made 3 monthly visits and....well you know. I didn't take it seriously, just thought ok this Metformin will take care of that won't it? Um, no. 3 years down the track and I am onto Glipizide and THEN I thought hmmm maybe I had better research this. The search I put in was Diabetec Medication and up came DCUK. 3 hours later I thought it's a bit late, better go to bed :wink: From that day to this I have logged in everyday. 99% of the info I know about diabetes came from you guys. I read it all, all the opinions, all the advice and all the results. So I tried full fat, very low carbs, a bit higher carbs so on.... I found I couldn't have full fat it makes me feel unwell, very low carbs cause me to hypo so through experimentation plus almost obsessive blood prick tests I have a regime I can live with. It's mostly low fat with around 80g carbs a day. Since I was diagnosed I have lost around 15kgs, I take a raft of meds and mostly feel just great even if I do rattle!

What I am saying is that this site has given me the confidence to see just exactly what suits me. How I live is good for me, it won't always be, diabetes is progressive as we all know BUT I am now familiar with my condition and I know what to do if and when it changes. I took every bit of information you guys could give me, I HAD to, I knew zilch. How I live now is due to the stuff I have learned on here plus a little bit from my most excellent doctor.

So thank you for all you varied and diverse diabetics. Thank you to Andy12345 whose comments are always given with passion and an overwhelming desire to help other people. Thank you Whitbyjet, catherinecherub and all you regular posters who have changed my life and helped me to understand that although my health isn't perfect it IS my health and for the first time in my life I can be exactly what I am supposed to be...In Charge Of Me!

Definition of Forum:

fo·rum

1.
the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
2.
a court or tribunal: the forum of public opinion.
3.
an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.
4.
the Forum, the forum in the ancient city of Rome.

The bottom line I suppose is take what you need and discard the stuff that maybe won't be so helpful. I would have been crazy to take the first advice I came across and chuck out the rest, life is all choices, it's what we are made up of every single day. Our choices are what make us what we are aren't they?
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Yes I do agree that we should take what we need from the forum and make our own choices but some people are very undecided as to what they should be doing and are willing to try anything that is suggested that works for others

I weigh it up and decide if it is for me or not and I certainly discarded the advice I was given suggesting I should change my low fat diet for a high fat one as they had done. That really shocked me that someone could suggest something that could actually be harmful for someone to change .. a high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it.
That is why I think when it comes to diet advice on here people should be careful in what they say and how they say it and should always make the point that it works for them but may not be suitable for everyone. That is why I say sometimes it's best to check with the professionals as you do not want to do anything that could be harmful to you
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Just found this on the forum good advice and just what I am saying


To all members

When giving out ANY information regarding diabetes, whether it's medication, foods or from your own personal experience. please ensure that you check and check again that the information you have posted is correct. As giving out misleading information or quotes (unintentionally) could put another diabetic in real danger. If in doubt, don't post.
 
Maybird said:
That really shocked me that someone could suggest something that could actually be harmful for someone to change .. a high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it.

Just found this on the forum good advice and just what I am saying


To all members

When giving out ANY information regarding diabetes, whether it's medication, foods or from your own personal experience. please ensure that you check and check again that the information you have posted is correct. As giving out misleading information or quotes (unintentionally) could put another diabetic in real danger. If in doubt, don't post.
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So, following your own post about checking the information you post could you point me in the direction of any studies that show that saturated fats are harmful?

Don't spend too long looking because it's a fruitless search; there are none. There are studies that show a 'high fat' diet are bad for you but often, laughably, these include things like pizza and ice cream as 'high fat' food when in fact they are high carb and high fat and failing to distinguish between those basic food groups makes a nonsense of any purported findings.

Saturated fat is not the problem; carbohydrate is the problem and I think people constantly trumpeting the opposite without any evidence is clearly against the forum guidance you have posted.

I'll convert to carbs with evidence, but I've yet to see any.

Regards

Dillinger
 
I certainly won't be converting to carbs, my meter says they are bad for me. I prefer high fat - its zero carb.
Its only in the last hundred years or so that we eat absolute junk.
Potato and rice and flour has to 'cooked' to make it safe - its full of toxins hence having to cook it to get rid of them.
We weren't designed to eat sugar as we know it.
 
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