Blood sugars high on LCHF diet

Mairead15

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I have type 2 diabetes so decided to try LCHF diet. I have adjusted to it well after two weeks and lost 4 kilos. The only problem is my BS levels remain high. The range is 8 -12 throughout the day. I take 1500 metformin daily. Worry now about the high levels and any advise would be much appreciated. Thank you.
 

carol43

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Hi Mairead, can you tell us what you usually eat perhaps you are having something that is spiking you. Are you testing before eating and 1 and 2 hours afterwards? I'm sure @daisy1 will be along shortly with her advice.
 

Mairead15

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Thanks carol43
Breakfast - omelette ( two eggs, onion, mushrooms, cheese) coffee
Or
Plain yogurt( 10% fat) cream, berries, nuts
Lunch - Mixed salad with tuna or prawns ( olive oil, Mayo )
Dinner - Chicken or turkey or fish ( fried in butter )
Mixed veg roasted in olive oil and garlic,
Mixed salad
I make other recipes from the Diet doc as well. Above is what I would eat most days.
 

vintageutopia

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I can't speak for you, but I really need to avoid carbs first thing in the morning, because that is my highest BS. I can tolerate yogurt & berries fine, but only later in the day.

When you say 10% fat on the yogurt, that makes me think it is not full fat. Which means the carb count/sugar will be higher than full fat plain.
 

dawnmc

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To be honest I think 10% fat on yogurt is the highest, but I will stand corrected.
I think you should give it a bit more time for your body to become adjusted.
 
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Mairead15

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Thanks vintage utopia

For that breakfast recipe I followed the "Diet Doctor".They used 10% fat plain yogurt ( no sugar) and 40% cream.
 

Bluetit1802

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I am another than spikes a lot if I have any fruit for breakfast, but can tolerate it later in the day. I also limit my berries to either 2 strawberries or 3 raspberries. I have my full fat yogurt and berries with flaxseed with lunch. Also onions can be quite carby, but I can manage them fine.

Check your mayo for carb content. Some brands have more than others - Hellmans Real Mayo is about the best.

What sort of levels were you seeing before you started LCHF? Is there an improvement?
 

mfactor

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I think you should give it a bit more time for your body to become adjusted.

Yep second that , been LCHF for about 8 weeks now after a bit of a diabetic burnout in the summer :( and my levels have just got down to normal this week.................
 

Mairead15

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On rising my BS levels would be high about 10 but throughout the day in normal levels. I suppose the body has to adjust to the new way of eating.
 

Brunneria

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This may be a silly question, but are you eating enough? To feel full?

Sometimes, if our bodies are used to a fair amount of food, and we restrict, and lower our bg with low carb, the liver decides to release glycogen stores (have you seen it called a 'liver dump'?) to raise the BG back up to accustomed levels.
- just a suggestion that this may be happening to you.
in which case, this will ease of with time.

My experience is that I can't tolerate any carbs at brekkie at all. So mine have to be protein and fat only, or I get raised bg followed by a low, late morning.
 

Indy51

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I think it helps to establish your carbohydrate tolerance at all meal times. This video explains how to work out your personal tolerance:

 

Mairead15

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Mfactor are you on any medication for your diabetes?? Makes me fell better that your levels are down so there is hope for me. I worry about holding high levels for a long time.
 

Mairead15

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This may be a silly question, but are you eating enough? To feel full?

Sometimes, if our bodies are used to a fair amount of food, and we restrict, and lower our bg with low carb, the liver decides to release glycogen stores (have you seen it called a 'liver dump'?) to raise the BG back up to accustomed levels.
- just a suggestion that this may be happening to you.
in which case, this will ease of with time.

My experience is that I can't tolerate any carbs at brekkie at all. So mine have to be protein and fat only, or I get raised bg followed by a low, late morning.
Thanks Brunneria will give that a try.
 

reidpj

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I have type 2 diabetes so decided to try LCHF diet. I have adjusted to it well after two weeks and lost 4 kilos. The only problem is my BS levels remain high. The range is 8 -12 throughout the day. I take 1500 metformin daily. Worry now about the high levels and any advise would be much appreciated. Thank you.


Bear with me on this as I could be completely wrong:

You have lost 4 kg in 2 weeks, most, if not all, of which is body fat - your BS readings would indicate that your glycogan stores are intact, or are constantly being replaced; so not much of the weight loss can be put down to water.

For your body to liberate it's fat stores, your insulin level needs to be low.

As your BS is raised (and your eating low carb), your liver must be churning out the glucose via gluconeogenisis.

Glucagon signals the liver to start gluconeogenisis (and to convert its stored glycogen to glucose).

Dietary protein usually stimulates the pancreas to secrete both insulin and glucagon (insulin is needed to get protein into the muscle cells, amongst its myriad other uses).

Your pancreas may not be secreting enough insulin to deal with the carbs and protein that you are eating together, although your glucagon secreation is not affected - leading to raised BS caused by recently consumed carbs and the glucose released by the liver.

I cannot eat carbs and protein together without raising my BS levels to over 8 (my level, normally, never exceeds 5.8)
 
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khorlo

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Hi All
I have type 2 diabetes. I started the LCHF diet two weeks ago. Have adapted well to it and have already lost 4 kilos. The only problem is my BS levels are still high.( no lower then 8 and no higher then 12 ) I take 1500 metformin daily. Any advise would be much appreciated. Feeling worried about levels. Many thanks.

From my own experience i can say that you have to go below 20 g of carbs a day and stick to it.
In my case it took much longer than 2 weeks for the BS to stabilise and become normal or close to normal.
 

khorlo

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Thanks carol43
Breakfast - omelette ( two eggs, onion, mushrooms, cheese) coffee
Or
Plain yogurt( 10% fat) cream, berries, nuts
Lunch - Mixed salad with tuna or prawns ( olive oil, Mayo )
Dinner - Chicken or turkey or fish ( fried in butter )
Mixed veg roasted in olive oil and garlic,
Mixed salad
I make other recipes from the Diet doc as well. Above is what I would eat most days.

2 things---Berries and mixed veg.
If your mixed veg have potatoes, carrots, parsnips in it than that could create the spikes and your high BS.
Personally i do not have any fruits or berries whatsoever.
 

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Hi Mairead, can you tell us what you usually eat perhaps you are having something that is spiking you. Are you testing before eating and 1 and 2 hours afterwards? I'm sure @daisy1 will be along shortly with her advice.

Hello Mairead - here is the information which I posted for you on another thread but I am repeating it here as it will be useful to you on this thread. Ask more questions and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Celeriac

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Hi all
I have type 2 diabetes so decided to try LCHF diet. I have adjusted to it well after two weeks and lost 4 kilos. The only problem is my BS levels remain high. The range is 8 -12 throughout the day. I take 1500 metformin daily. Worry now about the high levels and any advise would be much appreciated. Thank you.

If you have literally only been doing LCHF for 2 weeks and lost 4 kilos (well done) it seems like you're expecting to have normal levels straight away. Some people have greater insulin resistance than others. Some people have a more knackered pancreas. Your body is in flux right now and worrying about it will keep your BG higher.

Some people can have berries without spiking and others can't. Yogurt is fermented milk and therefore provokes an insulin response. Fat is removed from milk before it is made into yogurt and skimmed milk or skimmed milk powder added to get a standard milk solids to fat ratio that provides better yogurt.

I would suggest soured cream, creme fraiche, double cream, clotted cream, smetana etc - basically the highest fat one you can find, with the lowest sugar and protein.