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Personally i don't see LC diet as a diet any more, it's simply a way of life that is easy for me to maintain and I am healthier for it and will continue with it. Looking back as a child it's what we ate anyway. Fruit was a treat and rarely if ever did we eat sugary foods or carbs to the point we are eating them today. Processed foods and the list goes on we never even heard about . My father God rest his soul, lived to 90 on very high fat and little carbs. He grew all our own foods, so i am simply doing what was done as a child. It isn't a diet it's a life style. That's my take on it for what it's worth.
 
Well I've read it and it seems to be saying that a low carb diet can be beneficial in the 'short term' to those with certain conditions such as type 2 diabetes but in the 'long term' a person will be at greater overall risks of strokes & heart attacks etc. I say at least a type 2 will get to be a long term statistic by following a low carb diet right now.
 
Personally i don't see LC diet as a diet any more, it's simply a way of life that is easy for me to maintain and I am healthier for it and will continue with it. Looking back as a child it's what we ate anyway. Fruit was a treat and rarely if ever did we eat sugary foods or carbs to the point we are eating them today. Processed foods and the list goes on we never even heard about . My father God rest his soul, lived to 90 on very high fat and little carbs. He grew all our own foods, so i am simply doing what was done as a child. It isn't a diet it's a life style. That's my take on it for what it's worth.

Your take on it, Its worth a lot, and hopefully will be appreciated by others, i.e. Keto as LC I personally do not view as diet, I view as way of life style eating plan, a diet as I understand, may be wrong... when a Doctor places one on a strict regime not to be taken off, monitored daily, there is a difference and the two not to be confused as one and the same, one is by choice decisions, the other due to arrangements by a Doctor or other.

As your Father, my grandmother too high fat low carbs, jumped on the jumbo 747 400 at the ripe young age of 79 looking for a new life in Australia, and up until her last days smoked 3 cigars a day, drank glass of champers per day or vino and enjoyed a "coolie" fosters larger now and again, until she passed away at the age of 94, perhaps our Fathers and Grandmothers style of eating and life, should be looked at for the future??? who know, I read from a good book by a Doctor, sorry, "I cannot say his name, or the book or quote", as the last time I did that last week, I was informed my post was deleted, lets just say....yes, one can have a choc, a piece of fruit, a piece of cake, but in moderation, i.e. as "years ago", when these were a treat. Good points raised Moggely, diet is diet, lifestyle eating plan is quite another thing.
 
What a load of rubbish.
This was discussed in another thread the other day, and that was the conclusion reached. The lecturer it seems comes from Harvard, that well known fount of whole grain plant based rhetoric. Boston is in the midst of the Grain Belt I believe and a lot of people lives are involved in that foodstuff supply chain. Dr Aseem Malhotra is spitting feathers over this, and he is an eminent Cardiologist here in the UK.
 
Choose LCHF or HCLF diet, it is ones own personal lifestyle choice. There is no one diet that that will cure al diseases or prevent death, we all have to go at sometime. However I guess if this study is true and correct it gives us a choice. As a person who had type2diabetes I prefer to stick with a LCHF diet. I currently no longer fear amputation, feel sleepy or sick after a meal, constantly feel hungry, no longer fat and feel incredibly invigorated and hope to not get an eye disease leading to black madness with the LCHF lifestyle. If my concerns are heart attack etc then I may choose a HCLF diet but don’t enjoy the side effects. So I’d rather be able to fit in my coffin with both legs and been able to see throughout my life on this planet, which is temporary for us all
 
My advice is to follow the money and history. LCHF, Keto and Carnivore have been getting too many headlines so need to be stopped, what better way than scaring the public. When a person at Harvard was interviewed by Nina Teicholz he had an Ancel Keys portrait on his wall.

The scientific method in my view is a joke and or has not been implemented correctly. The major issue is none of the 3 diets looked at can be described as low carb high fat (and nowhere near Keto). I now put my stock in investigative journalism and the engineering method - this for me is much more structured and would not allow false positives, industry bias to either be reported or exist; Ivor Cummins and Dave Feldman are perfect examples of engineers who have put a coach and horses through the low fat high carb experiment on billions. Nina Teicholz and Gary Taubes have also provided mankind with jaw dropping evidence concerning the complete stories on fats and sugar. If you haver a chance to read their books The Big Fat Surprise and The Case Against Sugar you will have to get jaw reconstruction - nothing is speculative both reference all of their evidence (which usually comes from the HCLF proponents themselves).

These may be worth a look:



 
The report as posted is very sketchy with no clear conclusions, nor a definition of how low the low carbohydrate diet was.

There is also an effectively stated assumption that people on a high carbohydrate diet don't eat red meat and saturated fats. That because there is blame for people on low carbohydrate diets eating cancer encouraging red meat.

No advice on how people with diabetes should proceed after experiencing the short term benefits of a low carbohydrate diet.
 
Nothing against unfunded research per se - it could indicate that corporate sponsors are not dictating the agenda.

What I am still looking for is a definition of how much carbohydrate is included in the fourth quartile which is reported as being the highest risk.
As I posted earlier, this lecture is referring to a meta study of 2010 at which time the main LC diet around would probably be Atkins#1 which was the low carb high protein high fat diet referred to. The original Atkins diet did suffer a lot of adverse publicity and several law suits that they survived on a technicality, but it crippled the organisation for a while, They are back now with a new protocol that is very similar to LCHF but with an upper limit to protein intake and a higher fat intake that was missing in #1. Also they sell the foodstuffs already prepared and so keep better control. LCHF is very much do it yourself from scratch, but is a newcomer in terms of popularity (in its metamorphosis from Banting). So we may be looking at LC diets now in keto terms, but Atkins was the first kid on the publicity podium, so it got sniped at by everyone.

Not sure why a symposium in 2018 should use this data and ignore the 2017 meta study entirely, but then again as said the Harvard team has a WFPB bias, Another of their recent releases has had to be withdrawn as it was shown to be even more biassed and wrong and it involved the Brigham and Boston Women hospial that is an annexe of Harvard Uni..

https://retractionwatch.com/2016/08/02/researcher-whose-phd-was-revoked-is-no-longer-at-harvard-lab/

Some other researchers at Harvard have recently had their Phd's revoked, one had 6 papers withdrawn but they were on psychology not endocrinology so not relevant here, However the combined evidence is beginning to seem like academics are being knobbled at Harvard, so their science output recently needs to be taken with a dose of laxative.
 
Yep!

The proof is in the eating.

What do we say?
We ARE the research.

Any heart attacks, strokes etc whilst low carbing....... anyone?
 
Yep!

The proof is in the eating.

What do we say?
We ARE the research.

Any heart attacks, strokes etc whilst low carbing....... anyone?
2 strokes using Eatwell at the time. No further development (twitch, twitch... fall down.)
 
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