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[Grateful]

I keep my protein low to modest as I have kidney stones...

What is your advice for limiting kidney stones? I had never had them until this year when I went LCLF like you. From other threads, and this one, I get the impression we have a surprisingly similar diet. My kidney-specialist doctor seems good but when I told him about the recent diet change to low-carb and asked for dietary advice, he shrugged his shoulders and his only suggestion was to drink a lot more water. I complied, but it did not prevent a second kidney stone, early this month (the second one in the past six months).

I would very much like to avoid this becoming chronic! So far the only additional change I have made after the second stone is to drop nuts altogether (because nuts appear on lists of stone-aggravating foods). This is quite a major change because (like you, I think) nuts were a staple of my low-carb diet. I seem to be losing weight again, which may or may not be a concern -- it depends whether it is small and temporary, or something more substantial.

Having said all of the above, it seems like although kidney stones are a (very) painful nuisance, in most cases they are not a major health threat. (They checked my kidney function ad nauseam and there is no sign of kidney disease.)

 

[Kristin251]

What is your advice for limiting kidney stones? I had never had them until this year when I went LCLF like you. From other threads, and this one, I get the impression we have a surprisingly similar diet. My kidney-specialist doctor seems good but when I told him about the recent diet change to low-carb and asked for dietary advice, he shrugged his shoulders and his only suggestion was to drink a lot more water. I complied, but it did not prevent a second kidney stone, early this month (the second one in the past six months).

I would very much like to avoid this becoming chronic! So far the only additional change I have made after the second stone is to drop nuts altogether (because nuts appear on lists of stone-aggravating foods). This is quite a major change because (like you, I think) nuts were a staple of my low-carb diet. I seem to be losing weight again, which may or may not be a concern -- it depends whether it is small and temporary, or something more substantial.

Having said all of the above, it seems like although kidney stones are a (very) painful nuisance, in most cases they are not a major health threat. (They checked my kidney function ad nauseam and there is no sign of kidney disease.)

I was advised to keep a low oxalate diet which includes dark leafy greens, spinach being the worst but all but kale are very bad, eat a low protein diet, and drink lemon water. I was eating loads of spinach, never again! I do still eat a few nuts as snacks. Macs and pecans but it’s one of each about 4 times a day so I spread them out. I’m not sure if that makes a difference or not. For me, eliminating spinach and Swiss chard was a huge decrease in oxalates. And I mean huge. I was eating it twice a day everyday.
Luckily for me i did not pass the stones. I couldn’t have anyway as they were huge sitting one on top of the other blocking my ureter. But I as in agonizing pain for 2 weeks as another stupid Dr was treating me for a urinary tract infection which I did not have.
Eliminating nuts would be very hard for me as it’s about the only thing I can eat away from insulin. But as I said, I limit them. Some are worse than others and compared to dark leafy greens their nothing.
I also reduced protein to .8 g per kg lean body mass. I weigh 121 so it’s about 5/oz per day and I divide it into 4-5 mini meals hoping the kidneys can process everything better in smaller amounts.

Hope that helps!

 

[Kristin251]

@Kristin251 I live in UK you have found a way to keep under control and that's great, I've been type2 diabetic for 17 years mostly diet controlled with a few years on metformin,managed to lose weight and my doctor took me off all meds and I've never been back on diabetic meds.
Like you I control BG with diet and because of recent problems with gout I have had to change what I eat so I cut back on protein and trying to re introduce a few carbs,the high fat diet also caused higher cholesterol and my doctor was not pleased when I refused to go on statins,but 6 months later it's gone from 4.5 before higher fats to 7.5 so Three weeks ago I started statins. I hate the side effect of these tablets muscle cramps, itching skin so when I get cholesterol down I'm coming off the statins and will try to stay low fat to keep levels down. I noticed you have quite an high fat diet how is your cholesterol levels no what does your doctor say bout raised cholesterol in people in US is it different to here!
Not sure I could be total vegetarian but I do eat more vegetables than I used to,and has to the weight thing I've always struggled with my weight especially since becoming diabetic, the NHS wants us all to eat carbs I don't agree with this so on finding this site I follow the advice on here and it's working for me for the first time in my life and I'm 71 years of age. Just a number not a state of mind,definitely don't feel 71 older and greyer but not in head! Haha!
Thanks for your foodie ideas will be giving them a try and do keep in touch, look after yourself hopefully will speak with you again soon. Kathleen

Sorry to hear about the gout. I’m sure it’s painful!
I only eat about 5 oz protein per day and doing fine
As far as cholesterol, for me, carbs raise it as well as saturated fat. However, even when it was highish ( sat fat, lots of red meat) all my ratios were ideal and my HDL was sky high. I was just tested last month and I actually got a written report card that said EXCELLENT. I don’t think I ever had a report card that said excellent! I attribute this to my avocado a day. Seriously. My diet, percentage wise is high in fat but it’s mostly plant fat. Avocado, olive oil, mayo, a few nuts. Mediterranean fats. I don’t eat chicken skin, fatty cuts of beef, loads of butter etc. Recently I quit coffee so I’ve been having broth with a tsp of ghee. But ghee is very healing and it’s a very small amount.
Did you run your ratios? To me, that’s the important part and the type of fat matters as well. If you’re using a lot of dairy or saturated fats you could trim those down substantially and see what happens.
I’m glad you feel so good!! My mom is 86 and feels great.

 

[Granny_grump_]

Sorry to hear about the gout. I’m sure it’s painful!
I only eat about 5 oz protein per day and doing fine
As far as cholesterol, for me, carbs raise it as well as saturated fat. However, even when it was highish ( sat fat, lots of red meat) all my ratios were ideal and my HDL was sky high. I was just tested last month and I actually got a written report card that said EXCELLENT. I don’t think I ever had a report card that said excellent! I attribute this to my avocado a day. Seriously. My diet, percentage wise is high in fat but it’s mostly plant fat. Avocado, olive oil, mayo, a few nuts. Mediterranean fats. I don’t eat chicken skin, fatty cuts of beef, loads of butter etc. Recently I quit coffee so I’ve been having broth with a tsp of ghee. But ghee is very healing and it’s a very small amount.
Did you run your ratios? To me, that’s the important part and the type of fat matters as well. If you’re using a lot of dairy or saturated fats you could trim those down substantially and see what happens.
I’m glad you feel so good!! My mom is 86 and feels great.

Hi Kristin251 I do think I was having too much dairy and protein so I have cut these back so hopefully the gout will stay unproblematic for me fingers crossed eh! I've cut the amount of coffee to Two or most three cups a day and drink more fruit or herbal tea,I occasionally put a little butter on a slice of bread if I have toast and eggs for lunch,and a little for cooking with rarely now except today has I had mackerel done in frying pan,not had mackerel since the gout but I will try smaller amounts to see how it goes. Your mum is doing well, mine was the same always busy and looked after everyone else, but she was so very much loved by everyone,treasure her !Kathleen

 

[Kristin251]

Hi Kristin251 I do think I was having too much dairy and protein so I have cut these back so hopefully the gout will stay unproblematic for me fingers crossed eh! I've cut the amount of coffee to Two or most three cups a day and drink more fruit or herbal tea,I occasionally put a little butter on a slice of bread if I have toast and eggs for lunch,and a little for cooking with rarely now except today has I had mackerel done in frying pan,not had mackerel since the gout but I will try smaller amounts to see how it goes. Your mum is doing well, mine was the same always busy and looked after everyone else, but she was so very much loved by everyone,treasure her !Kathleen

Potentially that could help your cholesterol as well! And dairy causes foot and leg cramps for me so that too might help your gout.
Do you happen to know what blood type you are?
The reason I ask is i sudo followed the blood type diet for years and it did help. For me as a type O, I’m supposed to eat low carb, and higher fat. Go figure Haha. But for blood type A like my mom, she’s not supposed to eat a lot of protein and not a lot of fat. Closer to a vegetarian diet with lighter proteins such as fish and light poultry. She does gravitate there and I gravitate to mine. If she has a burger with potato she almost immediately falls asleep, gets achy and heartburn.
Diets, diets, diets.....so confusing.

 

[Granny_grump_]

Potentially that could help your cholesterol as well! And dairy causes foot and leg cramps for me so that too might help your gout.
Do you happen to know what blood type you are?
The reason I ask is i sudo followed the blood type diet for years and it did help. For me as a type O, I’m supposed to eat low carb, and higher fat. Go figure Haha. But for blood type A like my mom, she’s not supposed to eat a lot of protein and not a lot of fat. Closer to a vegetarian diet with lighter proteins such as fish and light poultry. She does gravitate there and I gravitate to mine. If she has a burger with potato she almost immediately falls asleep, gets achy and heartburn.
Diets, diets, diets.....so confusing.

Last time I had a blood type done I was pregnant and I had to carry a card has I had a very rare blood type Rehsus Negative but fortunately for babies I had they didn't need a blood transfusion at birth. K

 

[Kristin251]

Last time I had a blood type done I was pregnant and I had to carry a card has I had a very rare blood type Rehsus Negative but fortunately for babies I had they didn't need a blood transfusion at birth. K

Probably O neg. Thats the blood type all blood banks wants as it’s the universal blood type and be transfused with all other blood types.
Then you as well should be lower carb with moderate protein and higher fats. A mild state of ketosis. The worst foods for O,s that cause issues ( and I agree with all but were hard to give up but I felt SO much better ) are grains, dairy, coffee, potatoes ( not sweet potato) kidney beans and corn. The best are some red meat, broccoli, salmon, green veggies.
I was always bloated and achy everywhere. I first gave up my low carb toast Afro bf and my cottage cheese with salsa and blue corn chip lunch and immediately noticed my aches going away.
I do still loosely follow it as it did work. You can google blood type O food lists and see if there’s any thing glaring if you want

Just something to think about.

 

[Kristin251]

And I’ve also heard many people with gout get episodes when they eat fish, mainly tuna I think but not sure.

I have no idea what I’d do as I eat fish everyday!

https://www.livestrong.com/article/207342-high-uric-acid-foods-list/

That’s it, high purine foods.

Maybe you can google them and just make a few adjustments.

 

[derry60]

Yep they are good. 5.1g of carbs per 100g In link below.
.. I buy frozen from iceland's 2.5g of carbs per 100g boiled in salted water. and I add to stirfrys and stews. Try not to over cook as that is what sometimes puts some off.. Best luck..

https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2014/03/17/Are-Brussels-Sprouts-Keto-Friendly

http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/iceland-frozen-for-freshness-button-sprouts-900g/p/53310

I bought some frozen cauliflower rice from Iceland they come of a bag of 4 from Icleland..I do not like fresh cauliflower riced up don't know why. It tastes too strong. They also now do mixed green veg in a rice form 4 to a bag. These are advertised as new. I love sprouts also. Stir-fried with garlic and bacon yummy

 

[Granny_grump_]

And I’ve also heard many people with gout get episodes when they eat fish, mainly tuna I think but not sure.

I have no idea what I’d do as I eat fish everyday!

https://www.livestrong.com/article/207342-high-uric-acid-foods-list/

That’s it, high purine foods.

Maybe you can google them and just make a few adjustments.

Hi Kristin251 I too had fish everyday mostly mackerel but also salmon but again I didn't watch the portion sizes believing fish was a very healthy food I eat green veg some red meat but I have reduced the amounts I eat and it seems to be working. K

 

[Granny_grump_]

I bought some frozen cauliflower rice from Iceland they come of a bag of 4 from Icleland..I do not like fresh cauliflower riced up don't know why. It tastes too strong. They also now do mixed green veg in a rice form 4 to a bag. These are advertised as new.

Must take a look at Iceland sounds just what I need will make my life a little easier thank you so much. K

 

[derry60]

Must take a look at Iceland sounds just what I need will make my life a little easier thank you so much. K

You are most welcome. I have tried the cauliflower one and it is really nice. Just microwave in the oven for 4 No flaffing about. Going to try the green one next.

 

[Kristin251]

Hi Kristin251 I too had fish everyday mostly mackerel but also salmon but again I didn't watch the portion sizes believing fish was a very healthy food I eat green veg some red meat but I have reduced the amounts I eat and it seems to be working. K

Is anything VERY healthy these days ? Lol. I just mix things up as far as proteins. Today one thin slice organic turkey with avo smashed in and rolled up in a nice piece of crunchy lettuce. Lunch 1 is a slice or gf beef with avo in another wrap and lunch 2 is some baby shrimp with avo chunks, chopped celery, radish, green onion, basil and basil olive oil all tossed together. Dinner will be either flounder or cod, maybe tuna. I’ll decide when I get there haha.

I wish I digested cauliflower. I love cauliflower rice but toot toot.

 

[Granny_grump_]

And I’ve also heard many people with gout get episodes when they eat fish, mainly tuna I think but not sure.

I have no idea what I’d do as I eat fish everyday!

https://www.livestrong.com/article/207342-high-uric-acid-foods-list/

That’s it, high purine foods.

Maybe you can google them and just make a few adjustments.

Hi Kristin251 just googled high purine foods no a lot of what I eat I shouldn't but it also mentioned not to have broth and soup and stews that where broth based. It was on Livestrong.com a list of foods and vegetables that raise Uric acid levels has it's the raised uric acid that causes gout and kidney / bladder stones check it out. K

 

[Granny_grump_]

Is anything VERY healthy these days ? Lol. I just mix things up as far as proteins. Today one thin slice organic turkey with avo smashed in and rolled up in a nice piece of crunchy lettuce. Lunch 1 is a slice or gf beef with avo in another wrap and lunch 2 is some baby shrimp with avo chunks, chopped celery, radish, green onion, basil and basil olive oil all tossed together. Dinner will be either flounder or cod, maybe tuna. I’ll decide when I get there haha.

I wish I digested cauliflower. I love cauliflower rice but toot toot.

According to Livestrong.com I should not eat cauliflower either will have to check this out further when I get more time will have to go now to get our evening meal salmon green beans was having cauliflower cheese not sure now. K

 

[Grateful]

Hope that helps!

Thanks, it does help! I have been drinking lemon juice too, apparently it is important to get enough citric acid. I had already eliminated the spinach, and greatly increased fluid intake. Now I am giving up the nuts and hoping for the best. My last stone was a nasty piece of work and produced pain, in three separate places, as it passed through, over a period of three weeks. It was about 6mm (quarter of an inch) and shard-like so it is not surprising it was painful.

My diet is quite similar to yours except I eat a lot! Probably more than in my pre-diagnosis days, although obviously the food is completely different. Recently I have been losing weight again, probably because of a combination of stress/illness passing that kidney stone, and then giving up nuts, upon which I was snacking liberally all day. I am trying to replace them with olives and more cheese.

My understanding of how kidney stones form is that what matters is the proportion of calcium and oxalate in your diet, rather than the absolute quantities. I have been taking a daily calcium supplement pill (because of a history of bone fractures) so I wondered whether that was the "culprit" but apparently there is nothing wrong with calcium, or oxalate, per se -- it is just a question of not getting them out of whack with each other.

But all of the above is based on what I read online. I will see if the kidney doctor has anything additional to say when I see him next month. They are doing an ultrasound, although I am not sure what that reveals (when I had my first kidney stone, the ultrasound was negative for ks; they only confirmed it with a CAT scan of all things).

 

[Kristin251]

According to Livestrong.com I should not eat cauliflower either will have to check this out further when I get more time will have to go now to get our evening meal salmon green beans was having cauliflower cheese not sure now. K

Wow. I just randomly did a quick google. I did t realize it was so extensive! Not only do I have to manage Diabetes but also my quirky stomach which is equally important / hard

The broth I drink is low sodium and only 1 protein for 8 oz. I don’t buy stock which is much much higher in protein. I use about 4 oz, fill the rest with water and add a tich of ghee and a light sprinkle of sea salt. It has to still be better than coffee for me. Sometimes I used the garlic or Italian herb garlic oil instead of ghee

I don’t drink wine, rather vodka. Check. Good to go haha

I find nightshade veg to cause pain and knee swelling. So no potato tomato eggplant or peppers of all kinds.
This with no grains, dairy, legumes or carbs . Let’s not forget my one ounce of cheese some nights. I wake up achy all over.

I never eat more than 2oz protein at a time. I don’t digest veggies well and they leave me hungry so those are limited as well.
The protein I do eat is lean for the most part and I never eat skin or the fat. The fat in my diet is mostly mono, not animal so hoping that helps lower purine.

I’ve NEVER read anything that says avocado is anything other than a superfood and it sure is for me.

I limit nuts to no more than an ounce a day.

Between Diabetes, my quirky stomach, arthritis and kidney stones there’s not much left. Haha. Hence vodka to deal with it all. And concoct new recipes

Do you eat a lot of nightshade veggies? I would cut those out if you do. Gout is a form of arthritis and nightshades are very well known to cause arthritis

 

[MikePea]

please tell me they are ok for T2
i seen sprouts and bacon on facebook a while ago, it looked so good and im planning on having it today with an oxo cube sprinkled over it

licklemoose, pst 1618339 Hi. Sprouts are very good for you but I hate them. My better half has devised a way to disguise the taste by breaking them up and mixing with a cream cheese or similar. With regard to the oxo, beware of the high salt content. I love them and sprinkle some on scrambled egg.

 

[Kristin251]

https://goutandyou.com/gout-and-avocado/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. you are not going to believe this @Granny_grump_ and @Grateful!!!

Better get your avo on!!!

 

[Granny_grump_]

Wow. I just randomly did a quick google. I did t realize it was so extensive! Not only do I have to manage Diabetes but also my quirky stomach which is equally important / hard

The broth I drink is low sodium and only 1 protein for 8 oz. I don’t buy stock which is much much higher in protein. I use about 4 oz, fill the rest with water and add a tich of ghee and a light sprinkle of sea salt. It has to still be better than coffee for me. Sometimes I used the garlic or Italian herb garlic oil instead of ghee

I don’t drink wine, rather vodka. Check. Good to go haha

I find nightshade veg to cause pain and knee swelling. So no potato tomato eggplant or peppers of all kinds.
This with no grains, dairy, legumes or carbs . Let’s not forget my one ounce of cheese some nights. I wake up achy all over.

I never eat more than 2oz protein at a time. I don’t digest veggies well and they leave me hungry so those are limited as well.
The protein I do eat is lean for the most part and I never eat skin or the fat. The fat in my diet is mostly mono, not animal so hoping that helps lower purine.

I’ve NEVER read anything that says avocado is anything other than a superfood and it sure is for me.

I limit nuts to no more than an ounce a day.

Between Diabetes, my quirky stomach, arthritis and kidney stones there’s not much left. Haha. Hence vodka to deal with it all. And concoct new recipes

Do you eat a lot of nightshade veggies? I would cut those out if you do. Gout is a form of arthritis and nightshades are very well known to cause arthritis

What are nightshade veggies?