You raise an interesting point, I have tremendous sympathy for the generation brought up believing that smoking was good for you and fashionable. In modern times we know the risk involved and tobacco is no longer displayed, has images of what it can do to you on the packet and is extremely expensive. Would you blame someone who smokes 20 a day if they developed lung cancer??
I also agree that blame after the fact is pointless but by confronting the fact that some people are to blame you can open another avenue to tackle the issue, i.e., through education.
Regrettably you appear to be the type of character who ASSUMES a lung cancer patient has smoked 20 a day to create the cancer - there are, I believe just as many patients who have never smoked a day in their life.
I am simply of the belief that there are people to whom blame for their condition, be it T2 or obesity, can fairly be apportioned.
I don't let the T1's off either as I recently posted that the awful statistics on T1's meeting targets is not entirely the fault of the NHS but those who choose not to look after themselves.
- Again, the use of the words suggest that the condition to which you are referring is diabetes. It could also be the subsequent results of that diabetes, however you have provided a framework to allow the inference.I can't answer your question as I have no desire to "find blame with t2 diabetics". I will reiterate my opinion just once more. I do believe a proportion of people, through their lifestyle choices, are liable to be to blame for their condition. I do not single out T2's, as has been previously stated.
For the record my objection to to the thread is in relation to the views of the OP being potentially harmful to more emotionally vulnerable users as well as potentially divisive to the forum as a whole along t1/t2 boundaries.Yep, I know I said I was leaving.As you can all see, I have had objections to what @Scardoc has been saying in this thread and have voiced them. Scardoc has answered my questions satisfactorily. Everyone has a right to express their own opinions, surely that's what a forum is all about. This thread was started in the 'Soapbox - Have your say' section, so that isn't that at least a hint that it may be controversial?
Whilst I agree with the comments of several of you regarding Scardoc's views, I do not agree that the thread should be closed. We've had a discussion , that's all and the majority of people seem to be 'against' the OP. If the OP wants the thread left open, I really don't see a problem with that. Please don't turn this into a forum where we are not allowed to speak other than to pat each other on the backs and say 'Good morning'. What purpose would that serve? We need healthy debates.
Yep leaving again now.
@pavlosn
Again, I have to take great exception to your comment above.
I am T1.
I can't answer your question as I have no desire to "find blame with t2 diabetics". I will reiterate my opinion just once more. I do believe a proportion of people, through their lifestyle choices, are liable to be to blame for their condition. I do not single out T2's, as has been previously stated.
I firmly believe that it is important this is acknowledged to help improve a vast array of issues in our society.
@pavlosn
Again, I have to take great exception to your comment above.
I am T1.
I can't answer your question as I have no desire to "find blame with t2 diabetics". I will reiterate my opinion just once more. I do believe a proportion of people, through their lifestyle choices, are liable to be to blame for their condition. I do not single out T2's, as has been previously stated.
I firmly believe that it is important this is acknowledged to help improve a vast array of issues in our society.
A community is :“a social group sharing common characteristics or interests or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists”.
A forum is: “a meeting place for the discussion of questions of public interest”.
Yes, by definition. this is a diabetic community but first and foremost it is a forum. One of the fundamental points, in my opinion, of a forum is that it’s an area where people can discuss very different points of view. It is from doing this that humans have evolved so wonderfully and that people can learn other points of view and perhaps alter their opinions.
You cannot, again, in my opinion, as a moderator say that you do not want “divisions between the community” because we are not living in North Korea and don’t all have to sport the same haircut. You can ask for respect and the forum does this already and has procedures in place for dealing with anyone who crosses the various lines. However, if someone, like myself, has the opinion that a large number of T2 diabetics are largely responsible for their condition and a larger number of obese people are largely responsible for their condition then I have the right to express that, as I have done many times before, without feeling that I am creating any division. I like to think that when expressing this opinion I always state that I do not believe it is everyone’s fault and that I articulate my opinion well.
Many people over the years have on this very forum expressed the belief that their lifestyle led to developing T2 diabetes and that it empowered them to take control and they have subsequently become healthier than ever. Sometimes, the “blame game” can actually result in positivity and the word “blame” immediately has connotations of nastiness and finger pointing but I think it’s more to do with responsibility. That responsibility comes from many people and centres around the Government, parents and, most importantly, the individual.
I don’t know if many people share my views and are just afraid to say it. This forum, like society in general, seems to be heading the way of popularity contests and damning those who think that, yeah, hang on, maybe it is someone’s fault. Take the example below from bluejeans98 post. Someone who works in the pharma industry looking into cures for diseases. From this I think we can assume that it is a well-educated, intelligent person who probably has a much better understanding than we do. What happens though? He’s an idiot. Ignorant fool. People like him are the problem.
I have said it before and I will repeat it: it is just as dangerous to believe that no one is to blame as it is to tar everyone with the same brush. I am not saying it is acceptable, ever, to point the finger at one individual person as you do not know their personal circumstances. However, as a society, we can’t just say “it’s in the genes” or “It’s insulin resistance” or x, y or z, without also acknowledging that it could be down to personal responsibility.
If the hierarchy of this forum want to create a community without division then what is the point? This forum has, for as long as I’ve been a member, offered tremendous support to people who really need it, education, information and, shall we say, lively debate. As long as people are respectful and keep it above the belt then leave it as open as possible.
Thank you most kindly for calling me an idiot. No 1 I don't work in the pharmacy industry. I only quoted what was said to me when I was talking to a guy who does. I mentioned it on here. As it was the 1st time I felt truly ashamed to be a diabetic. I also thought this was an open forum to discuss anything to do with being diabetic. Sadly it seems I've been stupid on that front too. Merry Christmas Scardoc.
@bluejeans98Thank you most kindly for calling me an idiot. No 1 I don't work in the pharmacy industry. I only quoted what was said to me when I was talking to a guy who does. I mentioned it on here. As it was the 1 st time I felt truly ashamed to be a diabetic. I also thought this was an open forum to discuss anything to do with being diabetic. Sadly it seems I've been stupid on that front too. Merry Christmas Scardoc.
A community is :“a social group sharing common characteristics or interests or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists”.
A forum is: “a meeting place for the discussion of questions of public interest”.
Yes, by definition. this is a diabetic community but first and foremost it is a forum. One of the fundamental points, in my opinion, of a forum is that it’s an area where people can discuss very different points of view. It is from doing this that humans have evolved so wonderfully and that people can learn other points of view and perhaps alter their opinions.
You cannot, again, in my opinion, as a moderator say that you do not want “divisions between the community” because we are not living in North Korea and don’t all have to sport the same haircut. You can ask for respect and the forum does this already and has procedures in place for dealing with anyone who crosses the various lines. However, if someone, like myself, has the opinion that a large number of T2 diabetics are largely responsible for their condition and a larger number of obese people are largely responsible for their condition then I have the right to express that, as I have done many times before, without feeling that I am creating any division. I like to think that when expressing this opinion I always state that I do not believe it is everyone’s fault and that I articulate my opinion well.
Many people over the years have on this very forum expressed the belief that their lifestyle led to developing T2 diabetes and that it empowered them to take control and they have subsequently become healthier than ever. Sometimes, the “blame game” can actually result in positivity and the word “blame” immediately has connotations of nastiness and finger pointing but I think it’s more to do with responsibility. That responsibility comes from many people and centres around the Government, parents and, most importantly, the individual.
I don’t know if many people share my views and are just afraid to say it. This forum, like society in general, seems to be heading the way of popularity contests and damning those who think that, yeah, hang on, maybe it is someone’s fault. Take the example below from bluejeans98 post. Someone who works in the pharma industry looking into cures for diseases. From this I think we can assume that it is a well-educated, intelligent person who probably has a much better understanding than we do. What happens though? He’s an idiot. Ignorant fool. People like him are the problem.
I have said it before and I will repeat it: it is just as dangerous to believe that no one is to blame as it is to tar everyone with the same brush. I am not saying it is acceptable, ever, to point the finger at one individual person as you do not know their personal circumstances. However, as a society, we can’t just say “it’s in the genes” or “It’s insulin resistance” or x, y or z, without also acknowledging that it could be down to personal responsibility.
If the hierarchy of this forum want to create a community without division then what is the point? This forum has, for as long as I’ve been a member, offered tremendous support to people who really need it, education, information and, shall we say, lively debate. As long as people are respectful and keep it above the belt then leave it as open as possible.
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