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Carbs advice

Stroudles

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Location
Gloucestershire
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Getting totally confused with carbs and fat and sugar. Opinion seems to be that low carb is the way ahead but combined with full fat. Now I have cholestwrol condition under treatment witgh statins. Surely the advice conflicts in my case.
 
Personally, I stick to a very low carb diet (less than 30g a day generally) and eat foods with a high percentage of monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fats. Oily fish, avocado, olives, nuts etc..and my diet has been approved by my diabetes specialist - Scotland seems from what I can tell to have doctors who are more generally aware of the latest thinking. Evidence in general is that LCHF diets result in more of the "good" cholesterol than the bad. So, if the overall cholesterol number is up...it's not necessarily indicative of a problem; a breakdown of that figure is called for. My doctor and my renal specialists (as I am a tranpslant patient - prior to diabetes) agree that statins are not really worth me taking and the benefits are entirely uncertain...maybe 1 in a 100 people might benefit a little in relation to strokes with 1 in maybe 400 having aside effect. Anyway, I am more concerned about diabetic complications that an increase in cholesterol. Your choice...I suggest a bit of research so you can come to your own conclusions. As a result of my diet, blood sugars are pretty normal now and I am not on meds for diabetes and have not taken any statins. We all vary though - so you need to weigh it all up for yourself. Good luck.
 
Hi @Stroudles and welcome to the forum. There are lots of posts about cholesterol on the low-carb forum but basically many people feel LCHF is still the best option for them, and eventually can even reduce cholesterol. @daisy1 has excellent info for newbies. I'm on statins myself and making the switch to LCHF hasn't made my cholesterol any worse - whilst losing over 8 stone in a year has hugely improved my health overall :joyful:
 
My cholesterol levels came down on LCHF at one point to rather too low levels. You may find that they go up a little to start with, and then come down lower.

Robbity
 
My before and after stats are in my sig line. I've been eating around 70 grams of fat a day (60-80) since October.

Fat and cholesterol consumption is not as directly linked to serum cholesterol as you might think.
 
@Stroudles

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this helps to sort things out in your mind for you. It contains a lot of info about carbs and also a link to the Low Carb Program which may be useful to you. Generally, when someone cuts back on carbs they increase the fats in their place to keep energy levels up.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Getting totally confused with carbs and fat and sugar. Opinion seems to be that low carb is the way ahead but combined with full fat. Now I have cholestwrol condition under treatment witgh statins. Surely the advice conflicts in my case.
I'm diabetic and on statins for cholesterol. Your cholesterol reading is not necessarily anything to do with how much cholesterol you have BUT it is a measure of the ratio of good to bad cholesterol. So a high fat diet does not mean a cholesterol problem unless you eat the wrong proportions of good and bad cholesterols. And whilst, we are at it, you do not have to be fat to have a cholesterol problem! Read up on good and bad cholesterols and then look at your diet: nuts, oily fish, olive oil, avocado etc.

Good luck. (T2 Oct 15 - diet, metformin and exercise. Weight loss: off the chart, cholesterol down, blood pressure down, heart beat down - all looking good and I eat oily fish 5-10 times a week. Mind you when I eat eggs I don't eat all the egg yolks but as I eat about a dozen eggs a day - that would be a bit mad)
 
I've been embracing the low carb higher fats lifestyle since last July. I've been eating not just olive oil and stuff but full fat dairy, loads of eggs and fatty meats ( but very little carbs) and cooking with coconut oil. All my health markers have improved and I've lost about 9kg (was not overweight to start but top end of normal), total cholesterol very slightly up but only because of an increase in HDL (the one they say is good!) LDL has decreased and triglycerides halved. I am fervently anti-statins. Dietary fat appears to improve my lipid profile (or cutting carbs has but either way it's done me good)
 
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