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Carbs vs Sugars

mcgreal

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Type of diabetes
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Hi I am type 2 controlled by diet and looking for some advice please. My nurse says there is no benefit to me in testing my BG so I have no way of knowing how I am doing on a day by day basis.

I know that carbs convert into glucose but am wondering whether it is better for example to eat a meal with say 72g carbs and 11 g sugar or 83 g carbs and 7 g sugar? How many gms carbs equal a gm of sugar or is that a too simplistic question?

I look forward to your answers. Thank you
 
Hi I am type 2 controlled by diet and looking for some advice please. My nurse says there is no benefit to me in testing my BG so I have no way of knowing how I am doing on a day by day basis.

I know that carbs convert into glucose but am wondering whether it is better for example to eat a meal with say 72g carbs and 11 g sugar or 83 g carbs and 7 g sugar? How many gms carbs equal a gm of sugar or is that a too simplistic question?

I look forward to your answers. Thank you

Hi and welcome,

Firstly, your nurse is wrong. You need a meter if you are to control your glucose levels and stop them controlling you.

Secondly, you can disregard sugar content of food. Sugar is a carb, and on all food nutrition labels is included in the Total Carb amount. (The "of which sugars" tells you this) You will find this information on all food labelling. Just look for the total carb amount.

Thirdly, I eat around 30g total carbs per day. If I ate 72g carbs my levels would go through the roof. You may find you can eat more than this, but only a meter can tell you.

It is carbs that matter. The fewer carbs you eat, the lower your glucose levels will be.

If you buy a meter you will see what I mean.
 
Your nurse is an idiot and best ignored.
It would be far more beneficial for you to eat a meal with a total 10g of carbs rather than either of the ones you mention. But without a meter to test with you will never know. That is why so many of us get our own meters and test before and after eating to see the effects of what we eat. I never asked my HCP's if it would be a good idea to test because it seemed obvious to me that if I have a problem with blood sugar levels then measuring them is the only way to improve them.
This is not a rant at you but when I read that people have been told not to test it makes me furious..as you can probably tell...
 
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Sugar is a type of carbohydrate.
Put simply, starchy carbohydrates (like porridge) are broken down by your body into sugar.
Therefore, your body takes longer to break down something like porridge which puts less stress on your heart, etc. and should (everyone behaves differently) result is a smaller longer BG peak than eating pure sugar. \
There are some oddities to be aware of
- eating fat at the same time as carbs, slows down the consumption of sugar. This means that something like chocolate would have a lower impact than, say boiled sweets.
- rice is weird. Jasmine rice is consumed as fast as pure sugar. Basmati rice is better and the more roughage you eat with it, the better it becomes. So brown rice (with its rice kernels) is even better.
- sometimes ingredients include fibre in their carbohydrate measurement. Fibre is not digested.
- many people on this forum eat a low carb diet and find this aids with their control. I have not tried (I am type 1) so cannot comment and the ease of doing this.
 
Thank you for your replies. Much appreciated. Will be taking more notice of the carbs now and try to cut them down. Will also be getting a meter. Any ideas as to which one works out the cheapest?
 
Hi @mcgreal and welcome

You don't say how long you've been diagnosed Type 2 but, judging by your post, probably recently so I'll tag @daisy1 for you so you will get posted some very good and useful info re diabetes

Regarding your nurse saying you don't need to test, well, that's assumed to be to save them money by not prescribing the test strips. I was told the same but got myself a meter anyway. Yes, it's important to know how different foods affect you so you know which ones to avoid. By watching my glucose levels (by testing) I've recently come off meds which cause an increase in insulin production and now only on Metformin, which is great. It's surprised my GP and the surgery nurse, of course :)

As for which meter, the SDCodeFree is probably the cheapest but also the Tee2 meter is of the lower price. Actually, buying a meter isn't generally the issue, it's checking the price of the test strips that's the most important, as you will be buying the test strips on a regular basis. Go here, http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/ for the Tee2 meter (which is free) and, by some, considered to be better than the SDCodeFree. Go here, https://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-monitoring-system-mmoll-or-mgdl/ for the SDCodeFree and use these codes for cheaper strips
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

Hope this helps
J
 
@mcgreal

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Thank you. That is really helpful and much appreciated.

Hi @mcgreal and welcome

You don't say how long you've been diagnosed Type 2 but, judging by your post, probably recently so I'll tag @daisy1 for you so you will get posted some very good and useful info re diabetes

Regarding your nurse saying you don't need to test, well, that's assumed to be to save them money by not prescribing the test strips. I was told the same but got myself a meter anyway. Yes, it's important to know how different foods affect you so you know which ones to avoid. By watching my glucose levels (by testing) I've recently come off meds which cause an increase in insulin production and now only on Metformin, which is great. It's surprised my GP and the surgery nurse, of course :)

As for which meter, the SDCodeFree is probably the cheapest but also the Tee2 meter is of the lower price. Actually, buying a meter isn't generally the issue, it's checking the price of the test strips that's the most important, as you will be buying the test strips on a regular basis. Go here, http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/ for the Tee2 meter (which is free) and, by some, considered to be better than the SDCodeFree. Go here, https://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-monitoring-system-mmoll-or-mgdl/ for the SDCodeFree and use these codes for cheaper strips
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

Hope this helps
J
 
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Hi I am type 2 controlled by diet and looking for some advice please. My nurse says there is no benefit to me in testing my BG so I have no way of knowing how I am doing on a day by day basis.

I know that carbs convert into glucose but am wondering whether it is better for example to eat a meal with say 72g carbs and 11 g sugar or 83 g carbs and 7 g sugar? How many gms carbs equal a gm of sugar or is that a too simplistic question?

I look forward to your answers. Thank you

Hi
I'm new to Diabetes Type 2..... and it was a big shock. Now on Metformin only at the moment. So I'm taking on as much information to help me manage my condition. I get the feeling there is no quick fix, but a low GI diet & exercise seems to be the best course of action. I have no basis on which to say this, but I suspect all other diet offerings may help, but it seem to me like you rob Peter to pay Paul. Exercise will help reduce fat around the organs (which can't be good) and I hear, will stimulate the organs to work properly. As my BUPA doctor has been saying for a couple of years now... "it's all about Proteins and veg for you my son".

On the Carb/Sugar ratio query.... I searched for the answer to that myself only yesterday.... from what I have read so far on this topic, is that you can pretty much ignore the Sugar element when it comes to % of sugars in carbs because ultimately the carbs (regardless of %sugar) will affect you blood sugar level..... having said that, as I understand it, the difference is that the %sugars have an immediate effect, whereas the remaining carbs break down in a slower fashion. My own personal opinion, for what it's worth in my limited knowledge, is that a ratio of less sugars (i.e your 83 g carbs and 7 g sugar) seems to be a marginally better option as the remaining carbs should not hit the blood stream quite as fast.

Regards
Colin
 
carbohydrate is starches and sugars, but as soon as you put starch in your mouth and chew it comes into contact with amylase, an enzyme in saliva which starts to convert it into sugar. Beer and bread used to be 'started' by spitting into the yeast mixture, so that some of the starch would convert to sugar for the yeast to feed on.
If you can reduce your intake of carbohydrate from 'normal' then you will see a drop in blood glucose levels. The traffic light numbers on the front of packs are of little use, you need to find the total amount, usually on the back. I usually stick to under 10 percent carbs for food in general but for a few things which I try to eat in moderation I will go higher - for the big black grapes Lidl sell, or the high cocoa chocolate bars for instance. Having a meter helps me eat in moderation - keeps me realistic.
 
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