borofergie
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desidiabulum said:Hang on, surely saturated fats isn't the only issue here? I thought processed meats are bad for your health because of high levels of sodium, nitrate levels reducing insulin production, higher risk of stomach and pancreatic cancer (wasn't there some Swedish research on this?), etc - and that THOSE are the reasons why we are advised to have no more than one portion of processed meats a week.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you all will!)
It may surprise you to learn that the vast majority of nitrate/nitrite exposure comes not from food, but from endogenous sources within the body. (1) In fact, nitrites are produced by your own body in greater amounts than can be obtained from food, and salivary nitrite accounts for 70-90% of our total nitrite exposure. In other words, your spit contains far more nitrites than anything you could ever eat.
When it comes to food, vegetables are the primary source of nitrites. On average, about 93% of nitrites we get from food come from vegetables. It may shock you to learn that one serving of arugula, two servings of butter lettuce, and four servings of celery or beets all have more nitrite than 467 hot dogs. (2) And your own saliva has more nitrites than all of them! So before you eliminate cured meats from your diet, you might want to address your celery intake. And try not to swallow so frequently.
All humor aside, there’s no reason to fear nitrites in your food, or saliva. Recent evidence suggests that nitrites are beneficial for immune and cardiovascular function; they are being studied as a potential treatment for hypertension, heart attacks, sickle cell and circulatory disorders. Even if nitrites were harmful, cured meats are not a significant source, as the USDA only allows 120 parts per million in hot dogs and bacon. Also, during the curing process, most of the nitrite forms nitric oxide, which binds to iron and gives hot dogs and bacon their characteristic pink color. Afterwards, the amount of nitrite left is only about 10 parts per million.
you can listen to one of the leading researchers in the field telling you that carbohydrates increase cholesterol, not saturated fats:
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012/04/ ... t-depends/
Taken together with previous observations, these findings suggest that, at least in the context of a lower CHO high beef protein diet, HSF intake may increase CVD risk by metabolic processes that involve apoCIII
phoenix said:Would there be similar adverse effects with bacon and cheese that he found with lean beef and cheese?
Who knows, his future research will be looking into differing protein/fat combinations.
This is an account of the same research from the institute in which Krauss works and did the research.
I would think, though of course can't be certain that he approved the boxed conclusions/recommendations.
http://ctsi.ucsf.edu/news/about-ctsi/li ... rt-disease
ladybird64 said:What I want to know is, is this how BF spends his spare time? Is this a self made masterpiece BF, Hmmm?
I could probably manage a few strips of the bacon grilled to a crisp and some of the cheese but not a lot. Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of a higher fat diet, I just don't like fried food very much!
GraceK said:ladybird64 said:What I want to know is, is this how BF spends his spare time? Is this a self made masterpiece BF, Hmmm?
I could probably manage a few strips of the bacon grilled to a crisp and some of the cheese but not a lot. Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of a higher fat diet, I just don't like fried food very much!
That's the whole point though ... no-one could eat the whole lot ... unless they were the Hulk. When I say I eat LCHF diet people think I'm gorging myself on protein and fat, but I'm not, I probably eat less than the average person but because I'm not eating low fat this and low fat that, I'm satisfied with less protein too.
Defren said:GraceK said:ladybird64 said:What I want to know is, is this how BF spends his spare time? Is this a self made masterpiece BF, Hmmm?
I could probably manage a few strips of the bacon grilled to a crisp and some of the cheese but not a lot. Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of a higher fat diet, I just don't like fried food very much!
That's the whole point though ... no-one could eat the whole lot ... unless they were the Hulk. When I say I eat LCHF diet people think I'm gorging myself on protein and fat, but I'm not, I probably eat less than the average person but because I'm not eating low fat this and low fat that, I'm satisfied with less protein too.
When there was all the hoo-haa about the Atkins diet there was research done for years afterwards, trying to find out why it worked. The conclusion was that people were eating unlimited protein. Protein fills you up better than fat or carbs, so it worked out, because they ate as much protein as they did, their calorific intake was actually less than a low fat diet. We can only eat so much protein before our bodies say "enough". In effect by eating X amount of protein (X = what our own needs are) we eat less of other things, hence why a LCHF diet works. Fat slows absorption, protein fills us, carbs are, in the main empty calories. So the LCHF diet basically keeps us full while providing a better range of the vitamins, minerals and other vital components our bodies need, while eliminating the **** (carbs).
GraceK said:ladybird64 said:What I want to know is, is this how BF spends his spare time? Is this a self made masterpiece BF, Hmmm?
I could probably manage a few strips of the bacon grilled to a crisp and some of the cheese but not a lot. Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of a higher fat diet, I just don't like fried food very much!
That's the whole point though ... no-one could eat the whole lot ... unless they were the Hulk. When I say I eat LCHF diet people think I'm gorging myself on protein and fat, but I'm not, I probably eat less than the average person but because I'm not eating low fat this and low fat that, I'm satisfied with less protein too.
ladybird64 said:GraceK said:ladybird64 said:What I want to know is, is this how BF spends his spare time? Is this a self made masterpiece BF, Hmmm?
I could probably manage a few strips of the bacon grilled to a crisp and some of the cheese but not a lot. Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of a higher fat diet, I just don't like fried food very much!
That's the whole point though ... no-one could eat the whole lot ... unless they were the Hulk. When I say I eat LCHF diet people think I'm gorging myself on protein and fat, but I'm not, I probably eat less than the average person but because I'm not eating low fat this and low fat that, I'm satisfied with less protein too.
Grace..I do realise the point that was being made, I was just having a little light hearted post. I know enough people on here who eat LCHF to know what and how they eat and they know I know it. ( :eh: ) Sunday gentle humour, that's all. :wink:
Defren said:Ireneo Chipukunya said:Though pleasing on the eye,way too much saturated fat in there and in my view a definite recipe for more health troubles! I wouldn't to touch it under any circumstances, not even with a ten-foot pole!
The old views that sat fat is bad for us, is being eroded on an almost daily basis.
Sid Bonkers said:That is purely your opinion Defren, current thinking is that you should not eat too much of it in your diet, so please dont assume that because you chose to disregard that advice that others agree with your beliefs.
A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.
Stephan Guyenet said:1. Dietary saturated fat increases blood cholesterol
2. Elevated blood cholesterol increases the risk of having a heart attack
3. Therefore, dietary saturated fat increases the risk of having a heart attack
Sid Bonkers said:That is purely your opinion Defren, current thinking is that you should not eat too much of it in your diet, so please dont assume that because you chose to disregard that advice that others agree with your beliefs.
Particularly given the differential effects of dietary saturated fats and carbohydrates on concentrations of larger and smaller LDL particles, respectively, dietary efforts to improve the increasing burden of CVD risk associated with atherogenic dyslipidemia should primarily emphasize the limitation of refined carbohydrate intakes and a reduction in excess adiposity.
Superchip said:Advice is just somebody else's opinion, do what YOU think is right, it is just as valid as the idiots who gave you thalidomide and statins.
Superchip said:Well said Borofergie! Down with the Naysayers !
Eat proper food, not what the NHS advise, and the food manufaturers turn out in their junk factories !
Low fat = PROFIT and lots of it !
Blessed are the fat makers ( copyright Dillinger )
TTFN mine's a lard sandwich ( without the bread ! ) with a very large Vodka
Hic and burp ! Roy Hiya Grace.....
(my bolding)Diets high in saturated fats, trans-fats, refined carbohydrates and processed foods have been closely linked with chronic inflammation disorders and insulin resistance.
Sid Bonkers said:@ borofergie. Funny how the analysis of medical studies that phoenix posted a couple of weeks ago stated a different outcome isnt it?
Sid Bonkers said:As for any doctor who aligns himself with Gary Taubes I will not be taking any advice from him, no, rather I will take advice from the leading cardiologists and the rest of the medical profession who advice caution in the amount of sat fat we eat.
Sid Bonkers said:When your mavericks have managed to produce the evidence that would be needed to change current thinking I may start to believe them, until that time I will stick with best advice.
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