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@catherinecherub thank you for the link.
You just have to just love this type of Science Blog.
Clearly it is a blog and leaves an awful lot out... like any discussion as to what the controls were and the differences between them and the test systems.
Some discussion on this thread about Fats and yet in the blog there is no information about the relative amounts of doughnuts, flapjacks, biscuits, muffins, chocolate and cheese... so what was the ratio of fat to sugar and how could their their relative effects be determined?

And to top it all.... everything is going to be okay because....

The good news is that there are some natural herbs and nutrients that can protect your kidneys from damage, which I shall tell you about in my next blog post.

:banghead:

Full link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27164183
 
hankjam said:
@catherinecherub thank you for the link.
You just have to just love this type of Science Blog.
Clearly it is a blog and leaves an awful lot out... like any discussion as to what the controls were and the differences between them and the test systems.
Some discussion on this thread about Fats and yet in the blog there is no information about the relative amounts of doughnuts, flapjacks, biscuits, muffins, chocolate and cheese... so what was the ratio of fat to sugar and how could their their relative effects be determined?

And to top it all.... everything is going to be okay because....

The good news is that there are some natural herbs and nutrients that can protect your kidneys from damage, which I shall tell you about in my next blog post.

:banghead:

Full link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27164183
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and probably offer to sell to you at a highly inflated price...
 
SunnyExpat said:
It's an article about the effects of a fat and sugar diet on the kidneys, the fat came from the cheese.

It sounds remarkedly similar to my previous diet.
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don't you think that the "doughnuts, flapjacks, biscuits, muffins, chocolate" might have had a smidgen of fat in them too
 
Back to the question of whether cheese is junk food, my response is NO!!!

But then, I don't count Kraft process cheese slices, or Dairylea, or any of the other Frankenfood cheese-like abominations to actually be cheese. If I did, then I would have to agree with the idea that some cheese is junk food.

Edited to add: As so often, Robbity and I have the same tastes. :)
 
bobrobert said:
Rather ironic that before being diagnosed as diabetic I was eating low fat cheese and switched to high fat after being diagnosed and it helped me lose 3 stone in weight. Some folk don't like it as is their right but describing it as junk food isn't the best description?
The companies advice seems to be a front for selling goods that people can make up their own mind about.
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Just did a shop trip to local supermart. Most cheeses such as Babybel and other 'adult' cheese snacks had <0.5g carbs per 100 g, However some clearly aimed at children had between 25g and 31g per 100g of which the majority was sugar.
 
Administrator said:
Not too sure - as it's in the public domain it makes sense that it can be discussed as such though - will get someone to look into it! :)
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The Uni report is in public domain, but the RealDiabetes editorial is their comment on that study so is their interpretation. As such then a cut and paste may trangress their copyright since their newsletter is by subscription (albeit a free subscription) Just would not want anyone getting their paws smacked.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
They probably had to feed them cheese to entice them to munch on the junk stuff, and did they check whether any of the food stuff is actually poisonous to rats irrespective of diabetes, such as chocolate?
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See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning - it would appear that the theobromine in chocolate doesn't adversely affect rats but blue cheese definitely does: http://animals.mom.me/foods-dangerous-rats-eat-4523.html....

It's not simple is it!

Robbity

PS I had a puppy who apparently stole and scoffed a whole bar of Bournville with no obvious side effects when staying with a friend, and lived to tell the tale! But I'd never from choice let any of my dogs anywhere near the stuff.

Robbity
 
Oldvatr said:
Just did a shop trip to local supermart. Most cheeses such as Babybel and other 'adult' cheese snacks had <0.5g carbs per 100 g, However some clearly aimed at children had between 25g and 31g per 100g of which the majority was sugar.
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I didn't realise that some cheeses have added sugar. I take it cheddar and goats cheese and the well known ones don't have added sugar? Some of the cheeses I buy from Morrisons or Asda such as stilton and goat's cheese don't have the ingredients on the wrappings. Food for thought.
 
bobrobert said:
I didn't realise that some cheeses have added sugar. I take it cheddar and goats cheese and the well known ones don't have added sugar? Some of the cheeses I buy from Morrisons or Asda such as stilton and goat's cheese don't have the ingredients on the wrappings. Food for thought.
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If the package has cartoon characters on it or in the TV advert, then it has an increased probability of having unhealthy additives processed into it. If you squeeze the packaging and it moo's then again that is an instant giveaway.
 
bobrobert said:
I didn't realise that some cheeses have added sugar. I take it cheddar and goats cheese and the well known ones don't have added sugar? Some of the cheeses I buy from Morrisons or Asda such as stilton and goat's cheese don't have the ingredients on the wrappings. Food for thought.
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Though I don't consider cheese as "junk food".
There are some cheeses that I would steer away from due to the sugar content.. Those soft cheeses with the cranberry or pineapple thrown in??

Any cheese that looks like Bart Simpson is a no no too....

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bulkbiker said:
don't you think that the "doughnuts, flapjacks, biscuits, muffins, chocolate" might have had a smidgen of fat in them too
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Oddly enough, that's the problem with the mix, for junk food for me, carbs, fats, and saturated fat from the cheese. Although, to be fair, the saturated fat could have come from other sources.
Maybe it was a poetic study, with a nod to mice and cheese as the iconic image.
Now I've changed my diet, to a mediterranean, a lot less carbs, and good healthy, non saturated fats, all my bloods, BG, cholesterol, blood pressure, weight, is all where it should be.
 
Oldvatr said:
I am doubtful of the one where the cows walk on their hind legs, and have gigantic udders. Kinda puts me off my food that sort of thing.
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Planet of the cows.... Don't go off yer proper food. That's what they want!! ;)
 
Am enjoying my full fat Brie and a glass of red wine - definitely not junk food. My cholesterol levels and BG are just fine! :)
 
Jaylee said:
Though I don't consider cheese as "junk food".
There are some cheeses that I would steer away from due to the sugar content.. Those soft cheeses with the cranberry or pineapple thrown in??

Any cheese that looks like Bart Simpson is a no no too....

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When I see them in the supermarket I steer clear of them. To me cheese should be "vanilla" without added fruit or raisins etc etc. To sum up most agree that cheese isn't junk food and the article at best was poorly worded or was their another motive?
 
Blue cheese, chilli cheese, chive and onion, cranberry cheddar.......
 
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