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Chicken or egg?

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by charliebarker, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Kristin251

    Kristin251 LADA · Expert

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    I was misdiagnosed but I was 50 years old at the time. I had done Atkins for 25+ years and controlled in non diabetic ranges with diet and exercise. Then I got a nasty virus about 8 years ago and that was the first time I heard I had high bs. Still after that I controlled it with diet and exercise for another 6 or so years.
    About 4 years ago could t control it and that's when I was truly misdiagnosed.
     
  2. charliebarker

    charliebarker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it's possible I've relaxed a bit after my first three month test - as I was so pleased with my progress! I've started cooking some keto recipes and it's possible portion sizes have increased a bit. I have 20 weeks of food diary so I shall find a week early on in the process and follow it by the letter and see if it gets me back on track! 7.7 fasting this morning!
     
  3. Kristin251

    Kristin251 LADA · Expert

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    This from Michael Eades

    Gluconeogenis is inappropriately activated in diabetics.
    Protein requires adequate insulin. With insulin deficiency gluconeogenis proceeds rapidly

    Obviously type 1's don't make insulin but Type 2's don't use theirs efficiently so it would seem it applies to DIABETICS do any type as stated. I'm sure where in the progression people are makes a difference as well.
     
  4. Kristin251

    Kristin251 LADA · Expert

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    Good news!!! It can take a few days to regain insulin sensitivity too. But headed in the right direction!!

    I still consult my journals when something stumps me. I don't have a food diary for meals per se but loads of notes on things that work and things that don't. I do have loads of meal diaries from the past though. Very helpful.
     
  5. pollensa

    pollensa · Guest

    Hello,
    As well as keeping the carbs low, try exercising after each meal, even for 10 mins, best the tread, or walk.

    Intermittent fasting, one day or two, or three whatever you feel comfortable with, say 8pm to 2pm next day, skip breakfast, only having a herb tea, 18 hr fast, you don't notice, as your sleeping more or less 8 hours within that period, same if you do a 24 hr intermittent fast once a week, i.e. 8pm even before, until 8pm next evening, cutting out breakfast and lunch, only water, and tea, you sleep 8 hours.

    Each time I view blogs or posts regards diabetes, I am pre diabetes, but in total control, no medications only keto 20/50 carbs a day, great meals and recipes IN SMALLER PORTIONS AND EXCERCISE. min 60 mins a day not all together, spaced out during the day much better, for all those who are pre or diabetic, its so terrible sad and frustrating that the Diabetes world is not treating Diabetes in my personal opinion correctly, I do feel if they treat the cause the Insulin Resistance instead of the symptom the sugars, as sugars comes from the Cause! Perhaps all those with this disease that the world shares, could reverse, come off their meds, and cure their diabetes, if the CAUSE was focused and targeted, Diabetes if I understand correctly, inform if I am wrong is a dietary disease, so why give insulin for an insulin related problem, this is crazy, one does not give alcohol for example to an alcoholic this would be crazy also....

    So if the cause of Diabetes was treated, perhaps we would ALL no longer need to consult, pass information, try to help each, as everyone would have reversed their diabetes is the question??
     
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  6. D._Activist

    D._Activist Type 1 · Newbie

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    My educated guess would be that you are experiencing elevations of cortisol, adrenalin, or other neurotransmitters and it's elevating your BG's as well as making you feel jittery etc. Everything from stress to prolonged or chronic lows can cause hormone disregulation so you might try to find a pattern in your environment when this is happening. If you don't see one you might look to other things that can cause imbalance such as adrenal exhaustion, thyroid issues, or HPA axis problems.
     
  7. charliebarker

    charliebarker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks - I generally run on adrenaline so that might be a cause
     
  8. Kristin251

    Kristin251 LADA · Expert

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    I agree with portion control however I think you're very misinformed about giving insulin. We NEED insulin to get nutrients into our cells. We don't need EXCESS insulin which many type 2 have. I almost died and wasted away to nothing when I wasn't making insulin. Some of us have to inject it. It keeps us alive. If I don't take insulin my bg will continue to rise until I die. I eat keto so it allows me to take very small doses of insulin. Type 1 have no choice but to take insulin.
     
  9. Brian_Feltham-Daniels

    Brian_Feltham-Daniels Type 2 · Newbie

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    Charlie, I often find that my B.S. runs high during all phases of a cold. This could be why you're feeling meh. Downside is I've never worked out a solution :-(
     
  10. charliebarker

    charliebarker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Feel a lot better today, so maybe not a cold, which is a shame as it means it is still a mystery! Could have been overly tired
     
  11. seascapes

    seascapes · Member

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    Please tell me what 'bf' is?
     
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    People on this forum use lots of initials so I don't know what they are talking about! What is LADA please?
     
  13. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    Breakfast?
     
  14. Reba

    Reba LADA · Active Member

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  15. Reba

    Reba LADA · Active Member

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    It is an autoimmune disease. Many people are diagnosed as a 2 when in fact they are really a LADA. Take a GAD antibodies test and a c-peptide test to determine it. They first diagnosed me as a 2, but found I had an autoimmune disease.
     
  16. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_lada.html

    Latent Autoimmune Diabetes of Adulthood.
     
  17. videoman

    videoman Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    As a T1 for over 50 years,I have slowly lost the "hypo" warning I use't to get, my wife now tells me when I am going low aas my feet fidget without me notacing and shes right every time.I also fell fine and can work around the house without any problems
     
  18. MoonSpirit

    MoonSpirit Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I've just ordered an egg and a chicken from Amazon.
    I'll let you know.
     
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  19. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    What if they arrive in the same delivery?! ;)
     
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