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Cholesterol levels and type 2 diabetes

elainegold

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Type of diabetes
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I got the results from my recent cholesterol blood tests today. I had my last test about four months ago and the result showed by cholesterol level was 7.1 My recent result is 5.9 My GP persuaded me I should be on a statin to lower my cholesterol as it should be 4. Is this correct?
My HBA1C is 49. Eventhough for the past three months I have cut out all chocolates, sweets, biscuits etc my HBA1C has gone from 48 at my previous test to 49. I am not on any medication for my diabetes just diet controlled.
I would welcome some thoughts on taking statins.
 
Hi Elaine, did your doctor give you a breakdown of your cholesterol. The overall number isn't much use unless it is very high.

You say you have given up all chocolate, sweets, etc but what are you eating instead? You can get sugar (fructose is the main culprit) from all sorts of unexpected places, especially in processed foods and theey just label it as sugars.
 
My GP persuaded me I should be on a statin to lower my cholesterol as it should be 4. Is this correct?

These are the target cholesterol levels that they would like people with diabetes to aim for:

  • Your total cholesterol level should be below 4.0mmol/l.
  • LDL levels should be less than 2.0mmol/l.
  • HDL levels should be 1.0mmol/l or above in men and 1.2mmol/l or above in women.
  • Triglyceride levels should be 1.7mmol/l or less.
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Monitoring/Testing/
 
I got the results from my recent cholesterol blood tests today. I had my last test about four months ago and the result showed by cholesterol level was 7.1 My recent result is 5.9 My GP persuaded me I should be on a statin to lower my cholesterol as it should be 4. Is this correct?
My HBA1C is 49. Eventhough for the past three months I have cut out all chocolates, sweets, biscuits etc my HBA1C has gone from 48 at my previous test to 49. I am not on any medication for my diabetes just diet controlled.
I would welcome some thoughts on taking statins.

Elaine, I can understand your frustration when you have made positive changes too your diet to see your HbA1c increase a tiny bit. I wouldn't go into too much of a flap about it, as over time, we'll all vary a little, just because of what life throws at us. That could be additional stress, maybe a tricky a virus for several weeks, or whatever.

With your dietary control, it's fab you've cut the sweet things from your diet, but unfortunately, it's not quite as simple as that. When diagnosed myself, I elected to start self-testing immediately because when I was told what my diet should be, I was already eating in that way, and my HbA1c was somewhat higher than yours.

Testing showed me that the starchy carbs, even wholemeal ones, were a bit tricky for my body to cope with, and they drove my blood scores up to levels that started to explain my HbA1c. I trimmed them back, and some I just eliminated because I didn't enjoy them enough when I saw the numbers they gave me. That pretty much did it for me.

If you're able to afford it, I'd probably suggest you invest for a while and just see what's going on. You needn't test forever, but at 48/49 it might not take much to get your numbers down, if you can pinpoint your personal culprits.

On your Cholesterol, as @andcol suggests, the total number only tells a small part of the story. You really need to know the underlying elements. Many folks, but not everyone, finds as they get their diet in great shape their cholesterol situation improves. Personally, I have finally managed to agree with my GP that my Total Cholesterol is an inconveniently large number (6.5), but my good elements are exceptionally good, which makes the adding up a nonsense. It might be an idea to understand the underlying elements, as you go along. Your surgery should be able to supply this information, although, unhelpfully, they're not always tested.

Good luck with it all.
 
I got the results from my recent cholesterol blood tests today. I had my last test about four months ago and the result showed by cholesterol level was 7.1 My recent result is 5.9 My GP persuaded me I should be on a statin to lower my cholesterol as it should be 4. Is this correct?
My HBA1C is 49. Eventhough for the past three months I have cut out all chocolates, sweets, biscuits etc my HBA1C has gone from 48 at my previous test to 49. I am not on any medication for my diabetes just diet controlled.
I would welcome some thoughts on taking statins.

I am type 2 controlled by both diet and Metformin and I take 40mg Statin at Night. My recent Cholesterol was 3. I eat well and controlled and do not over eat as such, drink little but do have a G&T at weekends and lite Beer or 2. No effect from the Statins and my recent HBA1C was 52.
 
Hi. Although NICE says diabetics should aim for a total below 4 the figure is to be honest plucked out of the air. Of much more use are the lipids breakdown ratios as others have said. If these are not good then you may want to consider statins together with the risk of their side effects and the fact that they increase blood sugar a bit. I'm afraid there's no free lunch.
 
Elaine, I can understand your frustration when you have made positive changes too your diet to see your HbA1c increase a tiny bit. I wouldn't go into too much of a flap about it, as over time, we'll all vary a little, just because of what life throws at us. That could be additional stress, maybe a tricky a virus for several weeks, or whatever.

With your dietary control, it's fab you've cut the sweet things from your diet, but unfortunately, it's not quite as simple as that. When diagnosed myself, I elected to start self-testing immediately because when I was told what my diet should be, I was already eating in that way, and my HbA1c was somewhat higher than yours.

Testing showed me that the starchy carbs, even wholemeal ones, were a bit tricky for my body to cope with, and they drove my blood scores up to levels that started to explain my HbA1c. I trimmed them back, and some I just eliminated because I didn't enjoy them enough when I saw the numbers they gave me. That pretty much did it for me.

If you're able to afford it, I'd probably suggest you invest for a while and just see what's going on. You needn't test forever, but at 48/49 it might not take much to get your numbers down, if you can pinpoint your personal culprits.

On your Cholesterol, as @andcol suggests, the total number only tells a small part of the story. You really need to know the underlying elements. Many folks, but not everyone, finds as they get their diet in great shape their cholesterol situation improves. Personally, I have finally managed to agree with my GP that my Total Cholesterol is an inconveniently large number (6.5), but my good elements are exceptionally good, which makes the adding up a nonsense. It might be an idea to understand the underlying elements, as you go along. Your surgery should be able to supply this information, although, unhelpfully, they're not always tested.

Good luck with it all.
 
Thanks for all your replies. Can I ask what equipment do you use to test sugar levels at home.

I use a very simple, well-priced meter. I use this one: http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-monitoring-system-mmoll-or-mgdl/

There are loads and loads of meters available out there, but when choosing it's critical you consider the cost of the testing strips. They're the consumables, so they're the repeatable cost. The Codefree strips are probably the cheapest out there.
 
I am type 2 controlled by both diet and Metformin and I take 40mg Statin at Night. My recent Cholesterol was 3. I eat well and controlled and do not over eat as such, drink little but do have a G&T at weekends and lite Beer or 2. No effect from the Statins and my recent HBA1C was 52.

Do you consider your cholesterol is too low? We need cholesterol to feed every cell in our body, that is why our bodies manufacture it. (most is manufactured, very little comes from food). Do you know what your breakdown is? I would be unhappy if mine were that low and would be discussing with my GP about coming off statins, but that's just me.

Welcome to the forum. :)
 
Do you consider your cholesterol is too low? We need cholesterol to feed every cell in our body, that is why our bodies manufacture it. (most is manufactured, very little comes from food). Do you know what your breakdown is? I would be unhappy if mine were that low and would be discussing with my GP about coming off statins, but that's just me.

Welcome to the forum. :)
Hi Blue Tit,
I agree, I would more concerned about the raised Hba1c and how statins could be damaging my liver.
Statins can also cause a higher Hba1c in some patients and of course they block the very necessary enzyme Q10.
I just hope the flawed dietary advice and broken diet/heart hypothesis get sorted soon because the advice has really messed a lot of people up this last 35+ years!
regards
Derek
 
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