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Unfortunately these were a fairly bright bunch, which just shows how thoroughly almost everyone has been indoctrinated to believe "fat is bad, carb is good".
Communicating About Carbs (the trials and tribulations of)
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In the Netherlands after general anesthesia, if you are generally well enough to be discharged, thay want you to pee to prove that you can, and they want you to eat something to prove that you can without puking your guts out.Ah! OK @MrsA2. I guess i've only had medical procedures where they shunt you out of hospital asap. Thanks for the tip.
Could I practice deception I wonder? I'm not very good at that, but it would perhaps be preferable to eating their high-carb slop. (Which I am supposing it is! But I would be very happy to be proved wrong.) So take along waterproof rubbish bags? and a chilly bin to put them in?
My bowels open just fine when fasting. So that shouldn't be a problem. (A really long fast would probably pose that issue, but not 3 or 5 days)
They don't care what or how much you eat, you just have to eat something.
Might be worth bringing something that suits you, a handful of nuts could be all that is needed without having to complicate things with deception.
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People throw up after anesthesia? Really?
I have lots of metabolic problems (!!!!) but I have a stomach of steel.
Well, the hospital and food experience will be an experiment! I can play it by ear, plan for deception, and as a yummy back up use getting down to the cafe for a fry up big breakfast, or get a mate to bring it up to me (I think as my foot will be out of service that is my best bet!). Advice above much appreciated.
I have lots of metabolic problems (!!!!) but I have a stomach of steel.
Well, the hospital and food experience will be an experiment! I can play it by ear, plan for deception, and as a yummy back up use getting down to the cafe for a fry up big breakfast, or get a mate to bring it up to me (I think as my foot will be out of service that is my best bet!). Advice above much appreciated.
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Oh and keeping on the theme of the thread - not one word shall pass my lips about my Way Of Eating being LCHF in hospital (whenever thst happens.). If I get lonely and need to converse I can start quoting my new friend on the wonders and terrificness of the high carb low fat diet....
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Yes, been there, done that!
But I've also had it where bowels didn't start up again and 3 days later nearly had to be readmitted with diverticulitis and infected bowel. Not pleasant, and very dangerous
It is possible throw up after anaesthesia. Many decades ago I had several operations close together, under general anaesthetic. I used to be violently sick after waking up. That was before I had eaten anything. This continued until a new anaesthetist worked out that the cause was morphine in the pre-med. He changed the pre-med for subsequent operations, and I stopped vomitting.
Whenever I go to hospital for any procedure, I need to wear a wristband stating that I am allergic to morphine.
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Happens in the UK too. Mrs A was in for a minor thing years ago, got all done and wanted to go home.
"Can't go home until you've had something to eat"
"Can I get some food then?"
"No, you've missed lunch and you're not down to be here for an evening meal, so there won't be one for you"
"Can we bring some food in?"
"No, you can't bring food on to the ward."
They didn't seem to realise that this might be a problem. Eventually I had to solemnly promise that I would ensure food would be provided the instant we got home. I don't think they were entirely confident I knew where the kitchen was, but it got us out after only an extra three hour wait.
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Cant choose between the funny and the hug here...
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Y'all are giving me great prep info for the hospital food situation - which is a biggie for us using diet as a treatment for a dietary disease. (I've read lots of interesting stories over the 10 years I've been visiting this Forum.) Many thanks for the prepping! Laughs, hugs, and all.
The health board are sending me very nice emails from time to time telling me I'm on the list and am not forgotten or being ditched, but it probably won't be till the middle of the year, the surgery.
The health board are sending me very nice emails from time to time telling me I'm on the list and am not forgotten or being ditched, but it probably won't be till the middle of the year, the surgery.
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This post has an emphasis on 'what makes you fat' and the difference in my opinion and experience, between high carb low fat WOEs and Low carb healthy fat WOES.
Well, I've had an interesting, somewhat difficult time talking about the diet/low carb/healthy or high fat thing with my actual friend, my galpal. Since our wee holiday sharing food and eating and drinking in the country.
She and I have only had probs when she can't get her head around high carbs vs added sugar, as I have related in earlier entries on this thread. She is not alone with this one, as we have discussed.
I remember when I had a good womanfriend tell me she was on a zero carb diet and only eating fruit and vegetables. She was shocked to find out from me fruit and vegetables are nature's carbs. And she was a teacher of health and wellbeing. (I had been very surprised that she was doing a carnivore way of eating! And understood when the misunderstanding was revealed.)
So these misunderstandings are very common. So when my galpal and I discussed her friend and my guest being so threatened by my LCHF diet, I told her that I believed this woman was going through sugar withdrawal, and, wanted very much for the high carb low fat way of eating to stave off metabolic syndrome, which I think she has. As I wrote above, I think she was really scared, hence being really threatened. (Her sister has type two. And this woman has what I call physical red flags for type two - being significant belly fat and truncal obesity. I write this as someone who knows, as that was my situation too when I had metabolic syndrome, which precedes type two for many folk.)
My galpal was adamant this woman was not a sugar addict, and was not under threat of type two. That she only ate fruit and veges and lean meat. (Which is what she says.) I said, my friend, her body is evidence that is not all she is eating. And, this is a worldwide problem with Ultra Processed Food - sugar is in everything. And Very high carbs in the presence of the new vege oils. She is obviously not just eating salad and lean chicken. (I would cry, and die if I was only eating salad with no dressing after all, and lean meat.) (No pork crackling! No chicken skin! No lamb fat - all yuuuuuuumy things. All filling things!)
I am sooooooo sorry we have got to this stage around the information out there on food. And, I think, weight and weight loss. As I have noted - it is with women that weight loss becomes an issue, in my own life, with women who engage with me on the topic. And, what I say is, there are three types of people who talk about weight loss A LOT, and know A LOT about both weight gain and weight loss - the morbidly obese, the eating disordered, and, type two diabetics. I'm certainly the latter.
I think I know a lot of women who are highly p.o.ed that the high carb low fat WOE they are advised to adopt to lose weight, does not work for them. (Which you can see.) And, that they eat secretely, which is really sad, just so they get full! To deal with the hunger that feel when eating salad without dressing and lean meat. How many KFCs are there on motorway off-ramps? Too many! (I say this as someone who LOVED KFC. Still do. But you know - can't eat it now if I want to live as long as I can...) And the bakerys and all that UP baked goods out there.
And, they get p.o.ed with me eating LCHF, and having lost a LOT of weight, and kept it off. I really get it. Maybe I would feel that way too if I was in their shoes? And writing in this thread has helped me realise that I have to distance myself emotionally from those threatened negative feelings about weight and weight loss being directed at me.
But I'm still saying - hey. The low fat message was never proven, and has since been proved wrong. Sugar is in all the UPF.Sugar is everywhere. In the KFC coleslaw, in all those salads via the dressing. And it's addictive and it makes you fat. And the Food companies know it. I do say this if folks hassle me about my way of eating. Which is a lot, at shared meals. The source of this thread.
Well, I've had an interesting, somewhat difficult time talking about the diet/low carb/healthy or high fat thing with my actual friend, my galpal. Since our wee holiday sharing food and eating and drinking in the country.
She and I have only had probs when she can't get her head around high carbs vs added sugar, as I have related in earlier entries on this thread. She is not alone with this one, as we have discussed.
I remember when I had a good womanfriend tell me she was on a zero carb diet and only eating fruit and vegetables. She was shocked to find out from me fruit and vegetables are nature's carbs. And she was a teacher of health and wellbeing. (I had been very surprised that she was doing a carnivore way of eating! And understood when the misunderstanding was revealed.)
So these misunderstandings are very common. So when my galpal and I discussed her friend and my guest being so threatened by my LCHF diet, I told her that I believed this woman was going through sugar withdrawal, and, wanted very much for the high carb low fat way of eating to stave off metabolic syndrome, which I think she has. As I wrote above, I think she was really scared, hence being really threatened. (Her sister has type two. And this woman has what I call physical red flags for type two - being significant belly fat and truncal obesity. I write this as someone who knows, as that was my situation too when I had metabolic syndrome, which precedes type two for many folk.)
My galpal was adamant this woman was not a sugar addict, and was not under threat of type two. That she only ate fruit and veges and lean meat. (Which is what she says.) I said, my friend, her body is evidence that is not all she is eating. And, this is a worldwide problem with Ultra Processed Food - sugar is in everything. And Very high carbs in the presence of the new vege oils. She is obviously not just eating salad and lean chicken. (I would cry, and die if I was only eating salad with no dressing after all, and lean meat.) (No pork crackling! No chicken skin! No lamb fat - all yuuuuuuumy things. All filling things!)
I am sooooooo sorry we have got to this stage around the information out there on food. And, I think, weight and weight loss. As I have noted - it is with women that weight loss becomes an issue, in my own life, with women who engage with me on the topic. And, what I say is, there are three types of people who talk about weight loss A LOT, and know A LOT about both weight gain and weight loss - the morbidly obese, the eating disordered, and, type two diabetics. I'm certainly the latter.
I think I know a lot of women who are highly p.o.ed that the high carb low fat WOE they are advised to adopt to lose weight, does not work for them. (Which you can see.) And, that they eat secretely, which is really sad, just so they get full! To deal with the hunger that feel when eating salad without dressing and lean meat. How many KFCs are there on motorway off-ramps? Too many! (I say this as someone who LOVED KFC. Still do. But you know - can't eat it now if I want to live as long as I can...) And the bakerys and all that UP baked goods out there.
And, they get p.o.ed with me eating LCHF, and having lost a LOT of weight, and kept it off. I really get it. Maybe I would feel that way too if I was in their shoes? And writing in this thread has helped me realise that I have to distance myself emotionally from those threatened negative feelings about weight and weight loss being directed at me.
But I'm still saying - hey. The low fat message was never proven, and has since been proved wrong. Sugar is in all the UPF.Sugar is everywhere. In the KFC coleslaw, in all those salads via the dressing. And it's addictive and it makes you fat. And the Food companies know it. I do say this if folks hassle me about my way of eating. Which is a lot, at shared meals. The source of this thread.
