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Completely Confused Mess About Diet

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by Ojustaboo, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. ivan 2

    ivan 2 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    (Type 2 and a coronary 4 months ago. Lost 40 lb. Now 2 hours walk every day).


    Take care of calories, too.(Btw. have never had 3 eggs for breakfast). People think when they are on low carb diet they can eat as much fatty food as they like and sit the whole day without exercise.

    In a word, it`s low carb, low calorie plus exercise.
     
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    Boblc Type 2 · Newbie

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    I have had a quick read through most of the advice here and good though it is there is one thing missing. Exercise!

    I was diagnosed with type 2 earlier this year and cut down on food portions and made some changes to my diet but I also started exercising. Nothing too strenuous to start but I enjoy a brisk walk for 30 minutes, 3 times per week. Using this I lost about 12 kilos over 3 months.

    You can if you believe you can. We believe you can!
     
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  3. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Sorry but it really isn't...
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    You still can't outrun a bad diet..
     
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    Ojustaboo Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I presume you live in Norfolk by your username.

    I live in Gorleston (next door to Great Yarmouth) so maybe I will be lucky. I think I'll give it a go for a month before I try, then hopefully my GP can see I've lost weight and not moan at me for stopping seeing their dietitian :)
     
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  6. Ojustaboo

    Ojustaboo Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks,

    Your drug list seems similar to mine, I was prescribed high dose of Vit D and am now taking over the counter daily.
    Have recently had two total knee replacements due to arthritis and have severe arthritis on both top and bottom of my spine.
    Neurologist years ago put me on anti depressants for migraines and it cut them down from days to hours.
    Then years later ended up with depression and tablets were changed.
    Then no tablet stopped my back pain so they changed my antidepressants to one called Duloxitine that also helps pain by doing something to the nerves.

    My current meds are:

    50 mg Cyclizine Hydrochloride 3 times a day and when needed (anti sickness as I'm nauseous 24/7)

    Metformin 500g 3 times a day

    40 mg Simvastatin once a day (cholesterol)

    50 micrograms Nasonex nasal spray, twice a day (sinus problems)

    30mg Lansoprazole if needed twice a day (anti acids, had a nissen fundoplication for hiatus hernia but still often need them although when I do, it's just at night)

    Ventolin/Salbutamol 100 micrograms whenever needed
    Fostair 100micrograms/dose / 6 micrograms/dose inhaler. One puff twice a day (Asthma, coughing not breathing dificulties)

    Allopurinol 100mg Two once a day
    Colchicine 500 micrograms twice a day (Gout)

    Ultrabase cream, use instead of soap

    Duloxetine 30MG Three times a day (well 30g in morning and 60g in evening) (anti depression and pain)

    I'm also on one other med that I wont say on this forum, but it is a side effect of diabetes :)

    I also suffer from short term memory issues, if I remember, I remember 100% accurately. If I'm thinking hard, I also do. But the example I always give is after my knee op, I asked my wife if she could get my meds as they are now due, and she replied "I just got them, you took them literally 3 minutes ago" and I had zero clue. Things like that happen a few times a week. I've had a MRI on my head, all is fine, it's something to do with my CFS/ME

    Am under the pain clinic at the hospital for my back and have just been referred to "Extended Scope Spinal Physiotherapy" at my local hospital by the pain clinic as apparently a normal Physio is no good with a back like mine.

    And I'm also under a CBT therapist with Wellbeing for my depression, and am on a waiting list for some other therapy with them (forgotten what) . My depression score is PHQ9: 18, and my anxiety scale is GAD7: 13


    So I'm doing well for 54 years old :)
     
  7. Zilsniggy

    Zilsniggy Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi there, I see a lot of people here are advocating the Diabetes.co.uk low carb programme, but unfortunately they have recently decided to start charging for access. There are pages on Facebook, which are free and very helpful, and also contain a load of extremely helpful knowledge. I use one called 'Type2 Diabetes Rebels'. It's American, but has members from all over the world, and I have to say I have learned a huge amount through being on that page. They have a food list, various charts and viseos to explain the group philosophy, which is low carb high fat eating(under 20g carbs per day).
    It is a very helpful group, with admins who are extremely knowledgeable, but takes no prisoners. It's a tough love approach, so don't expect any sympathy, but it really worked wonders for me. I have followed their way of eating for nearly a year now, reduced my HBA1c to 42 , and reduced medications as well. The high fat way of eating would probably suit you, and after a few months on this diet, you should see ldl cholesterol levels and triglycerides fall, while hdl levels increase. It also helps with fatty liver disease, and other issues. An added bonus for many people is more or less effortless weight loss, while not feeling hungry. I'd say have a look at their pages, they are free and won't cost anything. they have comprehensive files, so most of your questions can be answered by looking there.
    I believe in some areas GPs can also refer you to similar programmes to the LCHF one here, but they may require some kind of financial outlay.

    You can only try it. A word of advice, you don't need to tell your GP that it's LCHF, just say you've changed your diet. I sometimes find as soon as you mention LCHF, they seem to blank you.....

    Good luck, you can do this!
     
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    Anncdw Type 2 · Newbie

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    I know what you mean, I have had a lot of contrasting advice recently
     
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    Anncdw Type 2 · Newbie

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    Sorry, posted too soon ! My added problem is that I am vegetarian, and most diets seem to include meat and fish. No one, including the Desmond course, had much of an idea about this. The Desmond course didn’t suit me either.
     
  10. masonap

    masonap Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Wow, what can I say except sorry that you're having such a rubbish time right now. I'm type 2, I'm on insulin and metformin, I've lost 3 1/3 stone in weight in the last 2 years (now 13 1/2 stone and trying to loose some more). I've halved my meds and I feel great. My advice is to go as low carb as possible, I don't count my carbs but I am ware of the general carb content of most foods (and avoid them if I can), unfortunately for most of us the stuff we like (and tastes good) is carb heavy, and I don't deny that giving it up is very very hard. Things to give up right now, immediately, are: potatoes, breakfast cereals, bread (all kinds), pasta and rice, also you need to give up on anything made with flour (any 'colour' with or without seeds/grains etc.) so that's cakes and biscuits, pastries etc., and you need to give up anything that has an obviously high sugar content like sweets, juice, fizzy drinks and chocolate. I can hear your response... you've got to be joking, there isn't much left you're saying, but if you look around there is a lot left, and you need to be a little creative with your food choices. Good choices are meat, fish, cheese, butter, nuts, eggs, vegetables, salads, and some fruits in small quantities. There's a lot to be said for some sausage bacon and eggs, with mushrooms (not beans) for breakfast, but not perhaps every day! Also there are sugar free sweets (in moderation of course) my favorite is a Worthers sugar free which I keep a few in the car and in my desk drawer (so that I don't binge on them), I've got to like dark chocolate too, it must be at least 70%, but only a couple of squares a day. Low carb eating doesn't have to be expensive, someone mentioned getting reduced prices on meat at the end of a day in the supermarket and I've done this when I can.
    Final comment from me is about exercise and this is really important for all of us... I've always been fairly active at the weekends but I work in an office so when I get home I don't really want to do much but for the last couple of years I've forced myself to go out walking just about every day and I like it! It helps reduce stress, I like fresh air, I'm liking the exercise, I think it helps me sleep too. Some of my best walks have been in the snow, or when the snow has stopped, if its raining I take a big golf umbrella, I don't care what I might look like to other people. I recently joined Parkrun and I'm building up my stamina and I can now jog (I wouldn't call it running) for 5 K (under 3 miles) in about 32 minutes. Look up Parkrun on the internet and see if there is one near you, it is free, you don't even have to register if you don't want to, its not a 'club' that you have to have membership, you just turn up at the start at 9 am on a Saturday morning and you can just walk it. My wife can't run so while I run she walks, it is also great company, other people with body shapes just like you are trying to get fitter and healthier, nobody will be looking at you or judging you in any way (I don't really like Gym's like David Lloyd for example), the Parkun volunteers will encourage you every step of the way.
    I wish you all the best.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    www.dietdoctor.com has quite a few low carb vegetarian dishes..
     
  12. Ojustaboo

    Ojustaboo Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Many thanks for all your advice. For me beer will be the hardest thing :)

    I've just discovered sugar free jelly at Morrisons so that's setting in the fridge with a tub of double cream to go with it :)

    My knees don't bend more than 90 degrees since having them replaced and I'm not allowed to run (not that I could if I wanted to), likewise I can't cycle due to this

    But as part of my back problems, I've been advised to go swimming as much as possible, I aim to go 3 times a week, but sometimes due to other health issues, a week or two go buy without going once. But when I do go, I generally swim for about an hour. I say swim, I manage to go up and down, but I probably look pretty stupid doing it :)
     
  13. Ojustaboo

    Ojustaboo Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Diets going well so far. Egg and bacon for lunch.

    Weighed out 200g of cabbage and 100g of Courgettes for dinner along with some form of meat the past couple of days and I've felt full.

    I even fill full now and it's 10am and I haven't eaten yet.

    Printed out a ton of meals but going to have to wait for the weekend to go through them all with my loverly other half and get the spices etc to go with them.

    Many many thanks for everyone's advice.

    Unless replying to someone I'll probably start a new thread for any other help (which I'm sure I will need)

    Royal Mails tracking is useless. It tells me they will only update (the current zero information) when they attempt to deliver it. So not sure when my Codefree is arriving (bound to come in the two hours I'm out today)
     
  14. Wilber123

    Wilber123 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Wilber123 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    O Mate.
    You do have a lot going on.
    I’m only recently got diagnosed and I’m finding it all very hard to cope with. I know what you mean about thinking about (in my case ) bread and buns.
    I’m sick of salad, it doesn’t help how it one makes them special nuts melon etc. It’s still salad.
    I’m not knowledgeable enough to give advice.
    Just to say slot find it difficult the LCHF.
    But apparently this diet is supposed to improve health. Give it a try maybe for a month. Then judge if it’s for you.
    All the best my friend. Good luck
     
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