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Discussion in 'Fasting' started by Bildad, Apr 20, 2019.

  1. Bildad

    Bildad Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I have recently discovered the LCHF lifestyle and so far have lost 1.5 stones. I need to shift another 2.5 to 3.
    I have read various things on here and other parts of the web about 16:8 fasting. I am unsure if you can drink during the 16 fast hours or not. I am happy since starting this new way of life not to eat breakfast which is quite a major shift in thinking for me. My mother drilled it into me as a child that you MUST always have breakfast. I find it difficult to start the day without a cup of coffee and the news. Ideally I would get up and do that at about 10.30 but the dogs wake at about 5.30 and I have to be in work for 7.30.
    My question is can I have coffee and cream when I get up. (My evening meal is at about 6pm.)
     
  2. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    That's what worked best for me.. coffee and cream or tea with lactofree milk to start the day and never have anything solid before 1 pm usually and sometimes only one meal per day.
     
  3. Bildad

    Bildad Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. I struggle with cold water first thing in the morning so the ability to have coffee is a relief. I think that I will at give it a go over the next week and see if I can do it.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I should also have said many congrats on the weight loss..!
     
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    Bildad Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure your thanks are really warranted. I lost the weight when I was first diagnosed 6+ years ago with low fat eating but could not keep it off and now find myself on medication with the weight to shed all over again. I do feel though that this time the LCHF lifestyle is sustainable.
    I am not sure why I didn't do the joined up thinking carb = glucose = high blood sugar a long time ago. I suppose we are conditioned to follow the advice proclaimed by the medical profession and he media.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Yep it keeps us nice and ill and in thrall to the docs.. yes I'm a bit of a cynic...!
     
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    [email protected] Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I rarely eat at all during the day. Normally only eat in the evening.

    Propper meal low or no carb with Greek youghert or similar for desert.

    I cannot do without my coffee though. Go through loads. As well as plenty of water.

    Staying hydrated is the key as well as keeping up with dietary fat. Don't bother with anything low fat. Just remember the only real issue with high fat is it can give you the trots.
     
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    Bildad Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I am not ready to go to one meal a day. I have to do it slowly or I will fail.
    I have realised the error of my ways re low fat. I find LCHF to be an easy way of eating. It fits with my food likes. I will confess to being a sugar addict and have cut sugar from my diet totally and did it over night. It had to be that way.
    I haven't eaten anything since 6pm yesterday just a cup of tea and a glass of sparkling water. I am now looking forward to a nice crisp salad, pate and cheese. May be even a spoon of low carb ice cream in the sun this afternoon.
     
  9. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    Is that all you have drunk? I would up the water if I were you, especially in this hot weather, and make sure you have enough salt.
     
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    Bildad Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Have also now had a coffee, 2 pints of water.
    I do sometimes fail in my water intake but am trying harder with it. I used to drink at least 7 mugs of coffee and glasses of diet coke but am down to one coffee in a morning now and I get fed up of water so don't bother with anything. I have removed the diet coke altogether.
     
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    Kailee56 LADA · Well-Known Member

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    Lately I’ve seen more and more people advocating dry fasting. While the supposed benefits seem more intense, at this point in my life I am not up to trying it. For me, fluids are necessary. Especially my morning coffee. However, if I was fasting because I had been diagnosed with cancer, I might do the dry fasting. Maybe.
     
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    Bildad Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I have managed to miss breakfast each day so far this week (starting Saturday) I am really amazed how easy it is not to eat until about 1pm. I eat again about 6. I am trying to reduce carbs to 25 to 30g. I am still struggling with the concept of high fat intake. It takes a while to in learn all those things that I have had drilled into me for the last 45+ years. I am slowly getting there one bite at a time! Reading the encouraging and helpful posts on here really do help a novice move in the right direction.
    Thank you
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    How would that help with cancer? The body needs nourishment to help fight it, and very definitely to help with the effects of the treatment.
     
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    Kailee56 LADA · Well-Known Member

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    Nutrients, especially glucose, feed the cancerous as well as the healthy cells. There is no discrimination as to which cells have access. Fasting is a way to limit which nutrients are available.

    - 1st, look up Valter Longo’s Fasting Mimicing Diet, a way to try for the physiological effects of fasting without actually fasting, and the research around it.
    - Much research has shown that many cancers require glucose, the basis of PET scans used for detection and diagnosis, and are not flexible enough to survive in a Ketogenic environment. Fasting amplifies ketosis.
    - Fasting helps stimulate autophagy, where your body breaks down unneeded and defective cells, like cancers, to obtain nutrients
    - Dry fasting, supposedly, accelerates autophagy, since defective cells are now broken down faster for their water as well as other nutrients.
    - Fasting has been shown to weaken cancerous cells, so they are more susceptible to lower amounts of chemo, while providing some protection to normal cells. This results in more effective chemo with fewer side effects.

    I fast and (imperfectly) eat LCHF for my diabetes, but also for autophagy. We are all different and must make our own choices. For me and my body, this seems to be the way. It might not be the best for you.
     
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    Kailee56 LADA · Well-Known Member

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    QUOTE="Bluetit1802, post: 2035350, member: 94045"]How would that help with cancer? The body needs nourishment to help fight it, and very definitely to help with the effects of the treatment.[/QUOTE]
    Addendum:
    If you have Amazon Prime, look up the movie, “The Science of Fasting”. It’s free for Prime members

    https://smile.amazon.com/Science-Fa...ce+of+fasting&qid=1556091618&s=gateway&sr=8-3

    Starting at 40:16, or the last 16 minutes, they go into Longo’s research on fasting and chemo therapy
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    @Kailee56

    Thank you. I do know how fasting works, and I did intermittent fasting myself for some considerable time. However, having been down the cancer route with twelve months of aggressive treatment, I would no more fast during that experience than poke my eyes out. That was 6 years ago, and so far still clear and discharged. We are all different.
     
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    Kailee56 LADA · Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if you felt I was being pushy. The movie clip was just a quick way to get a synopsis of the research. Trying to make the data easier to access.
    Obviously, the approach you took worked for you. So glad you are doing well.
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    Not pushy at all. Plenty of interesting details, although I don't have Prime so couldn't watch the video.
     
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    KookieMunchster Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I think fasting only works to a degree and there comes a point when it doesn't.
    It's awful when you watch someone have no appetite at all - so when you say fasting helps weaken cancer cells - I wonder how true that is...

    Just editing to add :
    Perhaps it was just that the cancer was stronger in the end and not eating was certainly not making it better.
     
  20. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    I cannot see any logic whatsoever of dry fasting and certainly not in terms of Diabetes management. My Muslim friends say that not eating is not a problem, it is the not drinking that causes discomfort.
     
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