Confusion on wholemeal and wheat!!!

Faithhope

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Hi everyone!!!

I keep on reading and sometimes it gives me clear understanding and sometimes makes more confusion!! I was in perception of wheat is wholemeal and that is what we nees to eat and not white flour. But reading some of low carb success stories coming in conclusion that wheat is bad for diabetes..

Can anybody help me please..thanks heaps..
 

Indy51

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My understanding is that there isn't much difference between white flour or wholemeal flour when it comes to the GI/GL of the resulting bread - they both raise BG by the same (high) amount.
 

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Not being the cleverest person regarding "wholemeal" I would think when it is bleached and turned into white flour then it is time to avoid flour.
Obviously if your "gluten" intolerant it will be a different ball game regarding Wheat. :)
Eating natural foods can only result in good health I hope.,
 

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White bread and Wholemeal bread are no different as regards to raising bg levels and they share similar GI levels, Wholegrain however has a lower GI level and is the better type of bread to eat as the whole grains take longer to digest and it is the time that the glucose hits your blood streem that determines the GI effect.

The only way to know if you can tolerate any type of bread is to try it and test before eating and two hours after eating.

Few diabetics will tolerate any type of bread well at or just after diagnosis but if you can or have reduced your insulin resistance there is usually no reason why small amounts of wholegrain or Burgen soya & linseed bread can not be eaten.
 
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phoenix

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Most of the flour used in the West today is made from wheat
In the UK (not in other countries) there are regulations for bread made from wheat flour called wholemeal or whole germ (but not for brown or any other label)
Wholemeal - all the flour used as an ingredient in the preparation of the bread must be wholemeal. The term "wholemeal" is not defined in law, however it is generally accepted that wholemeal flour is the entire wheat grain, which contains the bran and the germ.
Wheat germ – the bread must have an added processed wheat germ content of at least 10% calculated on the dry matter of the bread.

So wholemeal bread contains all the grain (ie including the outer bran and the germ)
However modern methods enable grains to be extremely finely milled nowadays so the particles are tiny. This means that although wholemeal bread contains higher quantities of nutrients than white bread it is often quite high on the glycemic index and they will be processed quickly causing the glucose to rise quickly.

If you are eating any bread then it is probably far better to look for those made with heavier, coarser ground flours (many rye breads are like this) or breads where many whole seeds and grains are visible.
This picture from a lecture by Prof Jim Mann shows quite clearly what I mean (red marks mine!)
Jim Mann Bread with ticks.jpg



Of course there are grains other than wheat and all grains can be eaten without being ground or refined at all , personally that's what I think whole grains should mean (scroll to about a quarter way down for pictures and explanations of the various grains) http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/03/...cient-grains-gluten-free-types-of-grains.html
I'm not T2 but I do know that there are some type 2s on here that use some whole grains such as whole grain barley and brown rice as part of their diets.
 
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Daibell

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Hi. Also worth saying what 'stoneground' wheat is as I sometimes have bread using it from our local old mill. Stoneground flour is better than ordinary wholemeal as it is more roughly ground and is therefore bit nearer to wholegrain. I normally have bread from our local bakery that uses 'low-GI' flour. It's sort-of wholegrain but with a few other bits added.
 

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The only way to tell what works for you is to test yourself.
I eat portion controlled, but manage some selective carbs reasonably well now, after improving my insulin resistance.
 

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Hi all
Whole grain . Is grain that has not been processed . There are three parts to grain and to be whole grain all three parts must be percent . White flour has only one part left after processing . That is the part which has no nutrients and is absorbed faster as there is no fibre left.
Hope this of help
Clive