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Counselling re diabetes

Hi All .

An interesting factor with some persons was the GUILT factor .
If they were alcoholic or a feeder eater [as in feed the emotions] or a shopaholic [no money used credit cards]
all would feel so guilty about their condition
The guilt could cripple any progress or their way forwards more positively .

Guilt was sometimes their biggest battle - once they learned how to cope/deal with the guilt .
They could then move forwards onto the next step/stage of control and self manage their conditions
more freely ...

We had to teach them to accept their guilt and take responsibility for it .

Anna .
 
Counselling did nothing for me EVER and it can't undo the past ! I've still got Aspergers and I'm still misunderstood and despised by some just for my choice of diet that has been my salvation...I don't care anymore though luckily and I'm now following the path I 100% believe in !
 
paul-1976 said:
Counselling did nothing for me EVER and it can't undo the past ! I've still got Aspergers and I'm still misunderstood and despised by some just for my choice of diet that has been my salvation...I don't care anymore though luckily and I'm now following the path I 100% believe in !

I can imagine that counselling could be ueful for some =those with single issues who really just want to talk it through with someone or need smeone to help them focus -ultimately everyone must solve their own problems or come to terms with them.

Sometimes conselling seems o be the "gefault " treatment. _ when in doubt= or with nothing else to sugges recommend counselling.

As has been said above much depends on the quality of the counsellor. I know someone who has been a practising counsellor for several years and who rains others. In real life her eyes glaze over if the conversation is about anything but herself and she is totally inconsiderae of the feelings of others. You have to wonder what criteraia is used for the selection of these people. She would ertainly be able o deach herself from her clients - no danger of becoming emoionally ivolved there but surely a LITTLE empahy would be necessary?
What do you qualified guys think?
 
The counsellor I went to was totally direct. He didnt actually offer me tools other than to think... I deserve better..

Strange you may think.. As diabetes will never get better.... But he could see how much less I had thought of myself since being diagnosed -almost 30 years ago... And he was right.

After going on insulin pump I became too absorbed by it and monitoring endlessly and adjusting. I dont do that anymore. Dont get me wrong, I still hugely care about my diabetes and my health, and he was so right... My kevels now I am so much less absorbed are so much better.

But now also, I have stood up for myself and told my parents I am their daughter... Not their diabetic daughter.

After the counsellor told me how **** healthy I look physically, and told me that fiabetes had orobably helped me ti take better care of myself than I would have if I'd been normal... He's again absolutely right.

I'd had a counsellor in Wales who just used to try and give me 'tools' to work with... She never understood me despite a very, very long course. This counsellor has made me so positive in 3 sessions....lots more said... But he was so brutal at times when he spoke thhat I came out on the 1st one and actually thought to myself.... "The truth can hurt-accept it and change".

B****y magic...even having complications of diabetes being suggested hasnt knocked me down, and certainly not an antidepressant tablet in sight!!!
 
That was very interesting. dd . Yes I like that. "You have a right to be angry or upset or whatever" would work far better for me than "get over it" or "there are hidden positives" or "other people cope with it." You were lucky with your counsellor.
 
Unbeliever... Totally agree that I was lucky with this counsellor. He actually made a bigger I pact on my hubby....( I do actually find this quite amusing).....he told my husband that living with him must be like living with a corpse!!!! He then went on to explain that most people will want to have a partner that has characteristics of a dog...... Always pleased to see you, jumps up at you to greet you, loves you know matter what you do, always wags their tails unless ill, will cuddle you and will always jump on the bed if given a chance.
He then told my hubby that he has the characteristics of a cat.... Independent and comes home to sleep and eat.

His comments hurt my hubby hugely, but the next time we saw him he explained about counsellors that waste your money ***** footing around, and that he wasn't here to be nice, but to help.

He certainly did that.... Hubby now is back to how he was years ago. More so, he is more fun than living with a corpse... (Which incidentally was so true).

At one point He asked my hubby why he didn't want to do anything etc. (my hubby finds it excruciatingly difficult to talk..) and my hubby answered that he thought it was because he was lazy. The counsellor said " we'll I disagree with that, but if that's what you think, we'll we'll continue on that basis"..... Then about 15 mins later the counsellor told him he was depressed... Not clinically, but still depressed .... Finally my hubby listened to someone, as I had told him this a few month earlier.

The counselling did almost tear us apart....as my hubby was blind to everything... But now (I think it was less than 6 sessions, probably 4) it was the best money that we have ever spent.

It was just hard talking, home truths... Things that none of us like to hear......it has completely changed both our outlooks on everything from my diabetes right through to daily living and has made me a totally new person that I wanted to be... Just from frank, hurtful, home truths...


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Thanks for that DD and I am so happy for you both.. Your story has totally changed my view of counselling. It has always sounded like a lot of jargon, almost psychobabble to me.

I suppose you have to have an insightful and probably very courageous counsellor - but how very satisying to know that you can change people's lives for the better.

Did this person classify himself as using some particular method or specialising in any particular area?
 
He and his wife are counsellors and psychotherapists...

He also said something else that has stuck with both of us.

"Nothing is real"..... For example...
I see a tree and I see it as a source of wood for my log burner.
My husband sees a tree and it reminds him of nicking apples off it when he was a kid.
Another person will not see the tree, but the squirrels playing in it....

When I see those squirrels.. I see them playing and chasing it each other and having fun.
My husband sees them as vermin.

It was to prove that although the trees, the squirrels are there and are real... Every person will see aspects of the world and our lives differently .... And most importantly be mindful that people do not HEAR the same as we speak either...
Now, I am also more mindful of how I speak to everybody, because they will not see the world from my aspect......especially as I am so obstinate and stubborn.

Believe me, I used to think the same about Counsellors and Counselling as you, especially as I had such an awful one previously in Wales.....

You would not believe the change in my hubby. He can now talk to me about anything and everything, and he has never been able to do that. We also looked at our childhoods.... I was always told I was loved, I was always given hugs and cuddles and a kiss from my parents at bedtime. I was always put on my dads shoulders at bedtime with our budgie on my dads head and tucked into bed. Hubby had nothing.. Never told he loved, never tucked in to bed or kissed goodnight. That's why I need to be told I'm loved... And my husband doesn't.. And he could never say it.....hubby just thought he had love in his home as a child because he wasn't beaten like he was at the catholic school.

This comes from counsellors website..... Xxxxxx is also an adept communicator and relationship builder which he combines with gifted analytical and interpretative skills enabling him to connect with his clients within a healthy Therapeutic Relationship in which their issues can be truly explored and understood. He has the courage and fortitude to work at depth, supporting clients through their issues which offers them the opportunity to be different, to relate to themselves and their world differently and to become more courageous, dynamic, adaptable, accepting and spontaneous in their lives.
Xxxxxx does not profess to anything especially. He just said he was not going to waste our time, and money being nicey nicey and getting nowhere for years. I dare say he treats everybody differently. My friend will be seeing him in the future.

The very best words to me were, "I deserve better"..... Not to necessarily get a better husband(lol!) or get a better lifetime....just for me to be able to speak up, to think better of myself and not let other people have such an impact on me... So when for example my mum always used to ask on the phone about my diabetes, my bum, my legs, my pain etc.... No more... When I phone now... I always start off by saying "hi mum, I'm fine-how are you" ......it lets me feel better about myself,,,,,I don't deserve to be reminded every time I spoke to my mum that I have an illness that is gradually getting complications.... "I deserve better"than being reminded about my illness...

Long story...and a worldwide insight to my mind and my life!!!! I deserve better and so does everybody that has an illness, sorrow,unhappiness etc.......


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Great story though and the very fact you can tell it proves how succesful counselling has been been foryou. I am sure many members will have been interesed in what you have told us.

Thank you. Its nice to read of such a worhwhile outcome.
 
I know I am a bit late on to this conversation, but i agree that choosing the right counsellor is key. It is all in the relationship, i'm sure. I am a person centred counsellor myself and feel that very deeply and it is also reflected in the NICE guidelines. CBT would never be for me for example, but would be great for other people. Your first appointment should be free with most counsellors and I'd do that. You will know within about 10 minutes if this is the right person for you!

Warmest wishes to you.
ReadingLass
 
I am sure many of us are interested to know what to expect should we ever decide to seek counselling.

It seems to be the case that CBT is the preferred route wih NHS -is this correct?
 
Heck I did that too in Wales... Basically that course told me to think 'whats the worse that can happen' ..... Trouble is when you're fiabetic for nigh on 30 years and told at diagnosis that uou will het complications.... Well you can imagine what I was thinking...
They were I think trying to get the group if 40 of us to think more positively. That was the onky thing I walked away with from my CBT... I had never been a positive believer in myself and this " think of the worst thing that can happen' in horrible life difficulties didnt eork at all for me.
It was around the time I had go e through the fear of lising my driving licence after a hypo incident... It didnt make me think I could have lost licence'. - it made me think.. What would have happened if I hadnt stopped and treated myself, I could have killed someone if I hadnt recognised the hypo and stopped. It just made me think constantly .. Of whats the worse that coukd happen' - that was the exact words.
The cbt training to me was just generalised behaviour training. They brought in a chemist who explained how they were trying to get people off diazepam and skeeping tablets and how anti allergy drugs werr just as effective as sleeping pills if you took the drowsy ones... NOT the ones that were non drowsy.

That was all I came away with from my cbt training...
 
That is exactly what I have always thought aout CBT. Rather than helping me I have a feeling it would provoke me to violence to be told to think positively and asked what is the worst that could happen.
No, adapting the help to the individual seems the best way. The obvious way in fact.
 
I wondered with cbt sessions how on earth they can actually be of help really to 40 people in one room. Its just classifying everybody as being mr or mrs average.

And golly, most people dont like crowds of strangers.. Especially when you are all there for behavioural training!!!

I went for either 4 or 6 sessions and didnt find that they helped me. I hope someone here can say they been to cbt and it helped them... Otherwise nhs is just throwing more money down the drain...
 
i CBT hasn't always been used in group settings. I imagine the fact that they think it can be is the reason for its current popularity.
Ii understand people are screened for suitability but its hard to imagine it being successful... I suppose some people could be reassured by being part of a group . Diffcult to say. Much would depend on the quality of the screening process..
 
Hi All .

With 'my' CBT [cognitive behavioural therapy] work I gave options and scenario's setting examples .

One person in my group was badly hung up on their best friend NOT ever ringing them back .
Was fed up with it was always her who had to ring to keep the friendship ongoing .

Best friend 'worked' full time with kids and family .
Person hung up disclosed they did not work and had no kids/family .
Hence she NEEDED the friendship greater than the best friend who was so much more busier
in their life and routine .
Me - problem established .


Me - problem solving work to be done .
Had to teach/show them her lifestyle 'busy life' would make it difficult for them to ring back .
It was not a deliberate negative thing done by her best friend .
Pattern of friendship behaviour was her best friend felt safe/secure that she would always ring back first .
[this gave reassurance and reasoned explanation]

To break the resentfulness she had to look at her own lifestyle and make it more busier .
Doing things that she really enjoyed herself .
Then she wouldn't be over focused on desperately keeping the friendship going .
Being busier would be far more productive for her than getting hung up or
over worrying on the small things/matters .
Erasing any feelings of resentfulness or jealousy .
[like feeling/believing her best friend didn't care about her]
Border neurosis creeping in with over focus on this so negatively - [my assessed risk factor ]

True fact - you do NEED to feel relaxed and get along with your counsellor
Otherwise the real issues wont get 'aired or expressed' .
The clients are always so different as they are unique with their personalities and
each case to be worked is different too .
Please remember a counsellor isn't a fix things person .
Changing all you feel,see things, instantly !

Hence why/how tools of new thought process options , practical goal setting ,
change of scene/routine can be used to engage positivity .
The work,focus, effort NEEDS to come from the client/patient themselves .

We can only steer and guide you along :thumbup:
Goal orientation work is GREAT to use as it can change many ingrained habit
offering new motivation and fresh movement in a old staid routine .
Changes CAN take place gradually and so very positively too .

Anna.
 
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