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Of course Reuters could well be considered to be part of the MSM that is misleading everybody.. wonder how much Gates money they have received..
Reuters have done a fact check on the "implanted microchip" idea.
They appear to think it is false
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-bill-gates-micr-idUSKBN21I3EC
When you said - Dark Horse, I believe what you quoted was written by Dr. Mercola I thought you referred to the reference @Dark Horse supplied, I don't remember Dr Mercola being mentioned by anyone.I don't understand your question. Dr. Mercola blogs daily on what doctors are doing to successfully treat patients with the coronavirus.
When you said - Dark Horse, I believe what you quoted was written by Dr. Mercola I thought you referred to the reference @Dark Horse supplied, I don't remember Dr Mercola being mentioned by anyone.
Of course Reuters could well be considered to be part of the MSM that is misleading everybody.. wonder how much Gates money they have received..
I find the "meh" smiley works just as well...I wish I had a "not funny" icon to click on.
The U.K. press
Type 2 diabetics are TWICE as likely to die from Covid-19... and obesity increases the risk even further, new research shows
Patients with Type 2 diabetes are twice as likely to die from coronavirus – and being obese increases the risk even further, research reveals today.
- Sufferers from Type 1 diabetes are also three and a half times more likely to die
- Findings provide further evidence that some patient groups are more at risk
- Also suggests that lifestyle has a strong impact on virus susceptibility
- Government is carrying out a major review into whether obesity, ethnicity and gender can also increase the chances of dying from coronavirus
A third of deaths from the virus have occurred among individuals with diabetes, which is linked to excess weight and a lack of exercise.
The study by the NHS and Imperial College London also found that those with Type 1 diabetes –which is not linked to obesity – were three and a half times more likely to die.
The findings provide further evidence that certain groups of patients are at much higher risk of suffering fatal complications.“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...E-likely-die-Covid-19-new-research-shows.html
The devil on this is in the detail.The U.K. press
Type 2 diabetics are TWICE as likely to die from Covid-19... and obesity increases the risk even further, new research shows
Patients with Type 2 diabetes are twice as likely to die from coronavirus – and being obese increases the risk even further, research reveals today.
- Sufferers from Type 1 diabetes are also three and a half times more likely to die
- Findings provide further evidence that some patient groups are more at risk
- Also suggests that lifestyle has a strong impact on virus susceptibility
- Government is carrying out a major review into whether obesity, ethnicity and gender can also increase the chances of dying from coronavirus
A third of deaths from the virus have occurred among individuals with diabetes, which is linked to excess weight and a lack of exercise.
The study by the NHS and Imperial College London also found that those with Type 1 diabetes –which is not linked to obesity – were three and a half times more likely to die.
The findings provide further evidence that certain groups of patients are at much higher risk of suffering fatal complications.“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...E-likely-die-Covid-19-new-research-shows.html
I thought that but another way to look at itThe devil on this is in the detail.
If you read the paper, being over 50 and having type 1 is a bigger risk factor than simply having type 1, and additionally, other co-morbidities play a large part, especially cardiovascular related ones.
If you're under 50, there haven't been enough deaths in hospital of people with type 1 to report accurately in the statistics.
I thought that but another way to look at it
Under 50s make up over 50% of type 1 population yet deaths are so low they cannot be reported. Over 80s make up 4.3% of the diabetic population. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying don't be careful but if under 50s were at a very high risk then given the % of the diabetic population they make up (and also will be those most likely to still be working and active in the community) then surely the numbers would be higher?
In addition my understanding of hazard ratios are that the type one figure of 3.5 is age, sex adjusted etc. But good control and some other factors can lower that risk a bit again.. Whereas comorbidities could perhaps add to it.Exactly. As the doctors who put together the study suggest, age remains, by far, the highest risk factor in determining COVID outcomes. The average age of people with Type 1 Diabetes who, sadly, diesd was 72.
Also, mortality rates remain extremely low for the younger population. One might be 3 times more likely to die if has Type 1 diabetes and is under 40 compared to a healthy person, but the starting probability of actually dying are so low that the odds are still overwhelming in her/his favour.
There could be a case, however, to advice shielding for perhaps over 60s or 70s with Type 1 and maybe Type 2 diabetes. In all likelihoood, I think it will end up with a shielding recommendation for over 70s with diabetes, regardless of which Type.
In addition my understanding of hazard ratios are that the type one figure of 3.5 is age, sex adjusted etc. But good control and some other factors can lower that risk a bit again.. Whereas comorbidities could perhaps add to it.
Yes I could see shielding being advised for a particular age group of people with diabetes both types.
I am under 40 myself and absolute risk might be low but I would hope it doesn't lead to complacency either. It's just wanting to know risk (not guaranteed outcome) so I can make a decision about whether to go for a walk, the shops, meet others outside etc. It's not a free ticket to do whatever I want!
Agree with all of this. Worth pointing out that at this moment in time we don't actually know how much higher as we've really no idea how many people have/have had itTaking the right precautions is the right thing to do, primarily to help the spread of the virus. But it remains the case that for some age groups mortality is very very low indeed. You are also correct in pointing out that after adjusting for other conditions the 3.5 number is lower.
I should also add that people with diabetes (at least Type 1, which is my type) have always been at risk of worse outcomes from all sorts of diseases, starting with the flu - which is the reason why we get a free jab every year I suppose. I believe (I might be wrong) that the increased risk of death from Covid for Type 1s is not higher than the seasonal flu, pneumonia etc. Mind you, I'm talking about the increased risk, not mortality rate, which for Covid is clearly higher than the flu.
Funny how the same information gets portrayed differently,
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Here's a link to the article.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/20/type-1-diabetics-type-2-coronavirus-nhs-study
so how would a 70 year old type 1 diabetic, with quite a few high readings, also with obesity, and hypertension stage 2 cope with the illness, would I get better or could it be the worse case scenarioAnd beyond the headline, is the more tempered reality:
‘It also shows that the risk of death for people with diabetes is higher than for people without the condition – with the risk for people with Type 1 being higher than for those with Type 2 – and that a history of higher blood sugar levels as well as obesity seem to be contributing factors.
‘It’s very important to remember that the risk of dying from coronavirus – for people with and without diabetes – remains very low, and that as cases of coronavirus decline, the risk to everyone of catching the disease will reduce in turn.’
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