Well if it doesn't work, we have a good excuse to run off to our own particular northern Rivendell.What I don't get is the assertion that what was unsafe yesterday now today by government decree is safe.
King Canute commanded the tide to turn back not because he thought he could but to show that he could not
Our government seems to actually believe they can.
Don't worry about the pubs they are talking about closing the pubs so they can open the schools maybe the schools should open bars so you could grab a beer when picking your children up from school.There were four pubs in Carlisle and two in Penrith had people with coronavirus in them two weeks ago.
Pubs are not safe.
D.
Don't worry about the pubs they are talking about closing the pubs so they can open the schools maybe the schools should open bars so you could grab a beer when picking your children up from school.
I checked out the Gov.UK guidelines for clinically vulnerable people and they have been adapted again to you can go outside as much as you like,mix with others as much as like but try an maintain social distancing,no mention of household or bubbles etc.
It does indeed appear nonsensical when it appears that the risk posed by the virus is still there.
I think the problems lie in several areas.
Tracking and testing not working effectively, we are not 100%sure what is happening in our local area.
Maybe now obesity is a factor the number of those vulnerable is too high to deal with.? Boris has probably just shrugged his shoulders and let people get on with it as best they can.
This governments attitude to anybody vulnerable has been callous for the past 10years,there might have been hope a global pandemic changed things,but sadly not. I think you only have to look at government behaviour over past months from lies to ignorance, the circle of protection for care homes,free school meals,child poverty, "so a few old people might die"., the implication that food poverty is down to laziness or mismanagement. Every area of health and social care was on its last legs before this pandemic,from housing,support for the vulnerable and disabled, secure employment, education. I'm sure some will accuse me of being a Guardian reading liberal. Yes I probably am. I also worked in Research and Campaigns for the Citizens Advice for several years and saw first hand the effects of austerity on people, ordinary people who through no fault of their own found their circumstances had changed and the safety net had all but disappeared. We are I think(I still hope we are not)just dipping our toe in this. If forecasts are true and unemployment will reach never before seen figures an awful lot of people are going to see that £70week to live on is not very doable, that the lovely local council cant pay all of your extortionate rent,that if you are unemployed you will face sanctions, sometimes for not attending a meeting you weren't told was happening etc etc.
I have over the past decade been despondent over the lack of empathy towards those less fortunate or vulnerable, bolstered by stereotypes of the feckless poor and benefit cheats. They do exist but there numbers are minute.
So, a lot of people may be in for a bit of a rude awakening when their furlough ends in redundancy and they realise what is or isnt available.
My heart goes out to those that were shielded. Once again the essence is in the detail if they work. They have to prove their work environment isnt Covid safe which can only be done by attending it. Any government guidelines now are so woolly that not really helpful. SSP has stopped. Some may be able to be signed off by GP. Again it's down to luck and personal circumstances.
I have seen comments on threads deriding people for being scared and hiding away,or commenting that we need to keep the economy going. For those of you are fit and healthy and probably have less to fear just try and be a little compassionate. All it takes is an accident or sudden onset of a serious illness and you too may be thrown to the wolves.
As I understand it different households cannot meet in their gardens or go to pubs together.So with the lockdown in the North you get the absurd situation that you can go to the pub but not meet your family in your garden.
Sometimes I almost wish the governments actions were down to stupidity as their callousness is beyond belief. Fingers crossed they feel pushed into doing something about schools soon. They will only do something when forced or no other option,well unless you are a small but rich group. I think people are increasingly bewildered why pubs such a priority over other areasTotally agree. I also think the Government could help (but they won't) by relieving rules and regulations on say pensions. I've got a private pension that I stopped paying into years ago. There is about 12 grand in there so comparing it to my three day a week wage at the school it would cover me for about a year, which "might" be long enough for a vaccine to be around. Problem is I'm not 55 yet so if you take it out early you get taxed on it. Not sure how much but I think it's 40% so as I say the Government aren't giving people too many options.
Yes that's right but what's to stop me happening to be in the pub at the same time as my bro and discussing his possible peerage over a pintAs I understand it different households cannot meet in their gardens or go to pubs together.
Is that because all the teachers are in the pub?they are talking about closing the pubs so they can open the schools
Yup they are all in the pub getting the dutch courage to face a hoard of marauding kids in the classrooms.Is that because all the teachers are in the pub?
Maybe I've been a bit over dramatic but regardless I have sent this letter to my MP.
Dear
I thought I would write to you with regard to my concerns as a diabetic in these strange times with the Coronavirus epidemic.
I ask what the Government plan to do with regard to safeguarding us diabetics, along with other clinically vulnerable people, considering statistics apparently show that 1 in 4 diabetics who end up in hospital die?
On the Government website we diabetics are down as clinically vulnerable and are still advised to stringently social distance. However, I work in a school as a Learning Support Assistant and whilst I have been working at home since late March, (albeit on a reduced hours contract and pay), due to the Government advice at the time, I am due back in September because the Government wants all children back at school and yet it’s absolutely clear and obvious that you cannot social distance correctly and safely in a school.
For sure I am allowed to wear a mask but masks in schools are not mandatory so if I am the only one wearing a mask I am not protected at all because as you know masks are only effective to try and protect others rather than the wearer.
Our school was kept open for children with care plans and those whose parents were key workers but within two weeks the school had a case of Covid so had to shut again. Thankfully I was working from home. So it is plain to see that once September comes and the Autumn/Winter approaches this WILL happen again. Even the Government have admitted to be concerned about a second wave and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that this WILL happen.
My GP has been very sympathetic and feels that I should continue to work from home but is bound by Government guidelines. My school too purely goes by Government advice but as I am sure you would admit Government handling of this epidemic could have been better to be brutally honest so GP’s and Schools are following what is clearly flawed advice.
You are trying to protect the NHS and claim that you are trying to protect the vulnerable but how am I being protected by being forced back into the classroom? I use click and collect for groceries, I social distance if out and have not, and will not visit a shop, barber, restaurant, cinema or pub until we either have a vaccine or some other form of immunity. In a nutshell I can be in control of my own personal risk but I cannot be in control in the workplace which renders my own personal risk strategy as useless. I cannot decide to leave my employment because you cannot claim Universal Credit if you leave your job voluntarily even if by leaving I am potentially saving my life.
At schools there will hundreds/thousands of clinically vulnerable students and staff and come the Autumn Term the idea of sending all back into the classroom will NOT be saving the NHS! I fully understand the mental state and education of children but what will deaths of students or staff do to the mental state of a child?
So I respectfully ask why I am being asked to play a game of Russian Roulette with my health when the Government themselves have classed me as clinically vulnerable but at the same time are forcing me back into a workplace where I cannot be safe?
Kind regards,
Maybe I've been a bit over dramatic but regardless I have sent this letter to my MP.
Dear
I thought I would write to you with regard to my concerns as a diabetic in these strange times with the Coronavirus epidemic.
I ask what the Government plan to do with regard to safeguarding us diabetics, along with other clinically vulnerable people, considering statistics apparently show that 1 in 4 diabetics who end up in hospital die?
On the Government website we diabetics are down as clinically vulnerable and are still advised to stringently social distance. However, I work in a school as a Learning Support Assistant and whilst I have been working at home since late March, (albeit on a reduced hours contract and pay), due to the Government advice at the time, I am due back in September because the Government wants all children back at school and yet it’s absolutely clear and obvious that you cannot social distance correctly and safely in a school.
For sure I am allowed to wear a mask but masks in schools are not mandatory so if I am the only one wearing a mask I am not protected at all because as you know masks are only effective to try and protect others rather than the wearer.
Our school was kept open for children with care plans and those whose parents were key workers but within two weeks the school had a case of Covid so had to shut again. Thankfully I was working from home. So it is plain to see that once September comes and the Autumn/Winter approaches this WILL happen again. Even the Government have admitted to be concerned about a second wave and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that this WILL happen.
My GP has been very sympathetic and feels that I should continue to work from home but is bound by Government guidelines. My school too purely goes by Government advice but as I am sure you would admit Government handling of this epidemic could have been better to be brutally honest so GP’s and Schools are following what is clearly flawed advice.
You are trying to protect the NHS and claim that you are trying to protect the vulnerable but how am I being protected by being forced back into the classroom? I use click and collect for groceries, I social distance if out and have not, and will not visit a shop, barber, restaurant, cinema or pub until we either have a vaccine or some other form of immunity. In a nutshell I can be in control of my own personal risk but I cannot be in control in the workplace which renders my own personal risk strategy as useless. I cannot decide to leave my employment because you cannot claim Universal Credit if you leave your job voluntarily even if by leaving I am potentially saving my life.
At schools there will hundreds/thousands of clinically vulnerable students and staff and come the Autumn Term the idea of sending all back into the classroom will NOT be saving the NHS! I fully understand the mental state and education of children but what will deaths of students or staff do to the mental state of a child?
So I respectfully ask why I am being asked to play a game of Russian Roulette with my health when the Government themselves have classed me as clinically vulnerable but at the same time are forcing me back into a workplace where I cannot be safe?
Kind regards,
Yeah... cause they were so interested in opening pubs that they find another way to keep those of us who follow the rules locked awayWell what a difference a day makes . The papers this morning are full of talk about a possible new lockdown and new lockdown measures. Of particular interest to those with diabetes and concerns about how to return to work is talk about differential lockdown shielding being discussed in government. This would mean vunerable groups still shielding whilst the rest of the population go about their business as usual.
An interesting one to watch for further development I thought.
Well what a difference a day makes . The papers this morning are full of talk about a possible new lockdown and new lockdown measures. Of particular interest to those with diabetes and concerns about how to return to work is talk about differential lockdown shielding being discussed in government. This would mean vunerable groups still shielding whilst the rest of the population go about their business as usual.
An interesting one to watch for further development I thought.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coronavirus-infects-200-kids-summer-22455909
Interesting and concerning article that those who feel that children are not at risk from infection of infecting others should read.
It certainly seems to feel more chaotic by the day. I must admit for the past week I only turn on tv/ radio in the early evening. I check a few sources that seem the most reliable only. Plus this threadWe were never on the shielding list to start with though, unless these new rumours suggest that might change?
Heartbreaking.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coronavirus-infects-200-kids-summer-22455909
Interesting and concerning article that those who feel that children are not at risk from infection of infecting others should read.
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