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What the government are doing if you listen carefully are blaming the resurgence directly on the public and their families. They don't want you meeting up with your family at home . You're not spending any money and saving the economy.
So with the lockdown in the North you get the absurd situation that you can go to the pub but not meet your family in your garden. Guess which one is more likely to cost you money and then think which is more likely to transmit Covid.
 
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They are saying their data shows transmission within families is higher than between strangers but I have yet to see the figures for outside transmission. Also where do those pesky children who can't transmit come into the data?
 
Well if it doesn't work, we have a good excuse to run off to our own particular northern Rivendell.
 
There were four pubs in Carlisle and two in Penrith had people with coronavirus in them two weeks ago.
Pubs are not safe.
D.
Don't worry about the pubs they are talking about closing the pubs so they can open the schools maybe the schools should open bars so you could grab a beer when picking your children up from school.
 
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Totally agree. I also think the Government could help (but they won't) by relieving rules and regulations on say pensions. I've got a private pension that I stopped paying into years ago. There is about 12 grand in there so comparing it to my three day a week wage at the school it would cover me for about a year, which "might" be long enough for a vaccine to be around. Problem is I'm not 55 yet so if you take it out early you get taxed on it. Not sure how much but I think it's 40% so as I say the Government aren't giving people too many options.
 
Sometimes I almost wish the governments actions were down to stupidity as their callousness is beyond belief. Fingers crossed they feel pushed into doing something about schools soon. They will only do something when forced or no other option,well unless you are a small but rich group. I think people are increasingly bewildered why pubs such a priority over other areas
. We can only hope that something better comes out of this,and we all stay healthy in meantime. I agree with pensions. A decade ago I would have retired at 60. I dont want to wish my life away but 67 seems very distant. !
 
As I understand it different households cannot meet in their gardens or go to pubs together.
Yes that's right but what's to stop me happening to be in the pub at the same time as my bro and discussing his possible peerage over a pint
My point is that I'm far less likely to catch Covid from my mum; n her garden than from a work colleague or stranger in a bar in a badly ventilated environment .So called safe environments for transmission seem to have more to do with the economy than the science of the virus.
 
 
Max68, I think that is an excellent letter which sets out the craziness of the guidelines for vulnerable staff and children. If you don't mind, please can I use the template to send to my MP too?

Also, there is this petition, which I got from the other Diabetes website.

Please can as many people as possible sign and send.

Click this link to sign the petition "Extend the furlough scheme for high-risk people who can't safely return to work."

https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/88866746/verify?token=wtSCFHBEzirn2gfmRSA-

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament




 
Well what a difference a day makes . The papers this morning are full of talk about a possible new lockdown and new lockdown measures. Of particular interest to those with diabetes and concerns about how to return to work is talk about differential lockdown shielding being discussed in government. This would mean vunerable groups still shielding whilst the rest of the population go about their business as usual.
An interesting one to watch for further development I thought.
 
Yeah... cause they were so interested in opening pubs that they find another way to keep those of us who follow the rules locked away

boris has no idea, worst prime minister ever

I am so fed up of this rubbish
 


We were never on the shielding list to start with though, unless these new rumours suggest that might change?
 
We were never on the shielding list to start with though, unless these new rumours suggest that might change?
It certainly seems to feel more chaotic by the day. I must admit for the past week I only turn on tv/ radio in the early evening. I check a few sources that seem the most reliable only. Plus this thread
. I must admit my sense of wellbeing has gone through the roof.
Even the guidelines on gov.uk are so open to interpretation its laughable. I did see a post mocking them saying you can now meet a goth in your garden shed every other Wednesday as long as it is Chers birthday. Space hoppers are the recommended form of transport. It was very funny but also quite terrifying as the government are so inept it might as well be policy.
I imagine any competent government, which we havent got,would be daunted with how to deal with this complex and terrible situation.
In the early days the shielding list was hastily drawn up with people added that needn't be and vice versa. Even in a few short months we have more insight in to how this affects people .
I doubt Boris knows much about those who are shielded and to be honest apart from lip service to their situation I'm certain he cares even less. The whole idea of shielding was to stop the NHS being overwhelmed and nothing to do with wellbeing of those individuals.
We now know more about the groups that are affected. It's down to age,ethnicity,underlying health conditions with social deprivation and BMI with level of exposure thrown in. I would say that's a large amount of frontline/low paid/disenfranchised people.
To lockdown those people is probably complex. Maybe a preferable option is to put in legislation to protect people who want it. I think we all know of people who despite being at risk are determined to carry on regardless, maybe that should be their choice. For those that are high risk and increase that risk by having to use public transport/frontline jobs with high exposure etc offer them financial protection from being forced into work
As for the wider population I think the long term affects of the virus are not widely understood or documented enough.
I dont think you can blame a particular age group etc for not complying. Within every group there are those who consider others and those who think the rules dont apply to them.
I dont think this government can catch up with their initial mistakes,partly because they are incompetent and also as each wild announcement is U turned on the public are becoming increasingly disengaged. I dont even think it matters if what they do is the right thing,too many people have lost trust and respect.
I hope Boris makes an announcement on shielding. He tends to do things in a reactive way when he has no choice,not because of any compassion or genuine concerns.
Not quite sure where the country will go in next few months. Total lockdown? Boris flinging his arms in the air and allowing a total free for all? Social unrest? I do feel the only person we can rely is ourselves, if support does come from the government it will probably be too little and to late,as it was with care homes.
 
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