Something fundamentally flawed in the U.K. by this measure, as well as most of the others.I like this simplified analysis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/53067897/coronavirus
Ancel Keyes must have got his diet right, he lived c.100 years.
Something fundamentally flawed in the U.K. by this measure, as well as most of the others.
Age or general state of health of the population is one possibility, medical approach to covid (Though I can’t see the drs reaction was any different here to elsewhere so unlikely), political management of the situation, some unknown factor? My money is on generally poor metabolic health as a nation and pandemic management.
I think nhs drs and nurses might argue about a “non existent” wave. Perhaps less than anticipated but hardly non existent. But yes I’m sure both of your points added to the figures.I'd reckon sending old people back to care homes from hospital at the start to "clear beds" for an non existent wave of infections might have something to do with Italy and the UK having worse numbers than France.. that and the increase in DNR's in care homes.
Very encouraging +50% managed at home - I have wondered about this, as all we seem to hear is the doom and gloom stories about diabetes in the press and on the news. Welcome change to hear something positive. Yhanks for that.I know I've banged the drum repeatedly about not using other countries stats. However I felt compelled to post this as its been asked many times on the forum about admissions and severity of contracting covid when having diabetes, rather than just mortality.
Also please note this is a study into type 1 diabetes only.
Health warning (pardon the pun) - very preliminary stats with a very small study population. Not further extrapolated into relationship of severity with age, existence of other comorbidities, weight (just says what 39.7% were obese) or mangement (just avg hba1c was 8.5% and that the lower the better!)
Encouraging that +50% managed at home. Less encouraging ICU admissions but you'd imagine some correlation with age, control, weight (nearly 40% of those studied were clinically obese) etc.
Takeaways are that it's not a death sentence by a long stretch. Weight and control are key!!
Aplogies for my apparent contradiction in posting US stats. Open to criticism
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/932175
Thanks for that even.Very encouraging +50% managed at home - I have wondered about this, as all we seem to hear is the doom and gloom stories about diabetes in the press and on the news. Welcome change to hear something positive. Yhanks for that.
I have this (ridiculous) hope that covid-19 might lead to a better understanding of (interest in) metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance. I'm too old for this sort of optimism but I just can't help myself. Laugh, you know you want toWeight and control are key!!
Well there's quite a push on twitter for better metabolic health with just as much push back from the "just take a pill" crowd..I have this (ridiculous) hope that covid-19 might lead to a better understanding of (interest in) metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance. I'm too old for this sort of optimism but I just can't help myself. Laugh, you know you want to
Well there's quite a push on twitter for better metabolic health with just as much push back from the "just take a pill" crowd..
So it is out there.
This is a good illustration by the BBC, but as you say it is very simplified.I like this simplified analysis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/53067897/coronavirus
Something fundamentally flawed in the U.K. by this measure, as well as most of the others.
Age or general state of health of the population is one possibility, medical approach to covid (Though I can’t see the drs reaction was any different here to elsewhere so unlikely), political management of the situation, some unknown factor? My money is on generally poor metabolic health as a nation and pandemic management.
When was that? If you are referring to "herd immunity" I think that was a solution that the media invented.our government (literally) asked us to take it on our chins.
Something fundamentally flawed in the U.K. by this measure, as well as most of the others.
Age or general state of health of the population is one possibility, medical approach to covid (Though I can’t see the drs reaction was any different here to elsewhere so unlikely), political management of the situation, some unknown factor? My money is on generally poor metabolic health as a nation and pandemic management.
I thought that I'd read recently that as a percentage of deaths, those in care homes in the UK were less than that of France and Belgium. Or is that wrong? So much incorrect information it's hard to tell what are the facts.I'd reckon sending old people back to care homes from hospital at the start to "clear beds" for an non existent wave of infections might have something to do with Italy and the UK having worse numbers than France.. that and the increase in DNR's in care homes.
I thought that I'd read recently that as a percentage of deaths, those in care homes in the UK were less than that of France and Belgium. Or is that wrong? So much incorrect information it's hard to tell what are the facts.
Many people with diabetes have reacted to yesterday's news that 25% of people who died from Covid-19 in UK hospitals also had diabetes. This is both understandable and scary, but it is not really unexpected.
Let me try to explain. I am T2, a scientist and I have been following what the epidemiologists and statisticians are learning about Covid. For example we are being told the daily death tolls. According to this 34,000 people have died in the UK from Covid by today 15 May. However, this number includes the deaths in hospitals, but not all deaths in care homes and at home. This number can be calculated by comparing the total number of deaths in the UK with the long-term average and sadly by 1 May there have already been 50,000 excess deaths in the UK. These deaths are mostly due to Covid.
A few days ago I found a paper by the group of Ben Goldacre, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v1. It studies the in-hospital deaths by potential risk factors. For diabetes they find the following. For the group with "controlled Diabetes", defined as HbA1c<58 mmol/mol) the risk of death was between 1.40 and 1.60 times that of non-diabetics.
For the group with "uncontrolled diabetes" defined as HbA1c>=58 mmol/mol the risk of death was between 2.18 and 2.56 times that of non-diabetics. For the group with no recent Hb1Ac measure the risk was between 1.63 and 2.16 that of non-diabetics.
In summary, depending on the severity of our diabetes the risk of death is a factor 1.5 to 2.5 higher than for non-diabetics.
In the UK almost 4 million people or 6% of the population are diagnosed with diabetes. While diabetes is increasing in younger people, we know that the rate is higher for elderly people and is probably at least twice that high (12%) in the over 65 age group. We now need to multiply this number with the 1.5 to 2.5 and can estimate that between 18% and 30% of people who died from Covid also had diabetes. This is in agreement with yesterdays announcement of 25%.
If you have other questions on the science of Covid, please feel free to ask on this thread and I'll try to answer these.
update 20 May: In this thread in post #96 I discuss the latest paper by the group of Jonathan Valabhji, see the direct link Covid/Coronavirus and diabetes - the numbers
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