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COVID restrictions stopped! How do people feel about this? Only ‘highly vulnerable' people are ever mentioned when talking about testing and people to use common sense around others if they get Covid. WHO had Diabetes as a highly vulnerable group but the government have changed who is is vulnerable/highly vulnerable groups to lessen numbers in top groups.

Well people like me & my wife with diabetes & asthma and some other conditions not on their own considered ‘highly vulnerable’ . But certainly conditions if getting Covid would extremely worrying and when did most people ever have common sense. It’s not the getting free tests its having to be around people that don’t worry if they have Covid and go about their normal lives without a care to anyone one else. The basic of some distancing & face masks did give & remind of the importance of the ease of transmission . Packed public transport is going to be a nightmare. Do the government expect ‘vulnerable’ people to go around with a bell around the neck to highlight them? It’s going to be hard to go anywhere and feel safe the next few weeks will be interesting I hope Covid infections will not rocket but then no testing no one will know if they are………………
 

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its having to be around people that don’t worry if they have Covid and go about their normal lives without a care to anyone one else.

Which is precisely what has always happened in the past yet we are (mostly) all still here.

Data would seem to suggest that currently there is far less risk from covid in its current iteration than before.

About time we got on with life?
 
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Which is precisely what has always happened in the past yet we are (mostly) all still here.

Data would seem to suggest that currently there is far less risk from covid in its current iteration than before.

About time we got on with life?

The worst part of making such policies is the ignorance of what "might" happen. Public health measures are being made in such an atmosphere. In the face of not knowing the consequences, perhaps the best is to practice caution?
 
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Speaking only for myself I’m not in the least bit concerned.
 

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I am definitely nervous about the "opening up" but was interested to read more deaths have been estimated to be due to flu in the winter of 2018/19 than in the recent winter months from covid.
However, I will continue to protect others by wearing a mask when I am travelling on public transport and in shops, will do a LFT before spending along time with people such as a work meeting (I am lucky to work from home) or visiting my elderly parents and will isolate if I test positive.
And I am making sure I have enough LFT packs to protect myself and people around me as much as possible.
 
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If we had been told 2 years ago that their would be a virus infecting hundreds of thousands of us every week, and killing thousands of us every week, and that the government response would be to decide it was time to get on with life and impose nothing in an effort to stop the spread of the disease and the resulting deaths we would have been astounded.

Yes, thankfully less people are ending up in hospital, about 2%, but 2% of the numbers we are still seeing is frightening, and yes with the current variant fewer people are dying, but looking at how this disease has progressed we may well see a new variant in the coming months, here is hoping it is no more deadly than the current variant.

I am glad to be living in Scotland where our government seem to be a bit more cautious and more inclined to follow the medical and scientific advice, stay safe folks.
 

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I also have more than one disease that increases my risk, but in spite of research in the first year showing that a combination of any two of asthma, diabetes and/or heart disease increases the risk this govt refused to include us in the highly vulnerable group.
I've had 3 jabs but still feel my risk is too high given the numbers still dying every week.
 

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In the face of not knowing the consequences

We never saw any cost benefit analysis for locking us at home.. nor has any evidence of the "benefits" ever been produced.

It now appears likely that more harm than good was the upshot.
 

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To be honest i'm not worried, if the recent few months have shown us anything, its that the vaccination program has kept it under control and limited deaths to an acceptable level.

I accepted and supported the controls early on where the death rate was very high (proportional to cases), now the death rate is very very low and in an "acceptable level" where by the down sides of continued lock down out weighs the up sides.

Its at less then 200 per week with cases the highest we have ever seen them, and that's 200 people who died with covid within the last 28 days. There was an interesting article around January time that showed that if you strip out those people who "died with covid in the last 28 days" from "died because of covid" the number drops at least by half if not more. (IE every one who goes to hospital gets tested and when we have millions of cases may well have covid as they die of cancer)

I do agree that 100 people a week dying is sad, but i don't agree it worth continuing to keep the country under restrictions. Mass population control over such small numbers is a horrible precedent. ~200 people a week die directly of alcohol related issues, ban all pubs and beers. ~600 people die of Diabetes related issues, enforce strict diets and enforce exercise regimes in the whole country etc (lets not get started on obesity in general - BMI check at fast food places to get in?)

I know they are different issues and im being unfair connecting the two, but allot more people die of preventable stuff because there is a line where counter measures out weigh deaths.

Im also speaking from personal experience in that a friend of mine died of something which may well have been prevented if they had been seen at the hospital in the usual way - took the best part of a year to be diagnosed with something that should have been done in a few months with appointments canceled or put off due to covid restrictions (ironically caught covid in hospital at the end and went down as a covid death even though she was riddled with cancer by this point). Then she died alone in hospital as no one could visit. Allot of the removal of restrictions will mean that NHS staff, support staff, infrastructure staff wont be isolating all the time leading to delays which may then result in further deaths. How many will be saved vrs how many will die is always the calculation.

In summary, I totally understand people who are worried if they feel at risk. But I still support the opening up of things to be honest.
 

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@BrianDoc see Scotland are now following suit.
I’m vulnerable obviously and have and will continue to be cautious. However, it is time to move on. There are many people with other conditions, mental health being one, which need to take priority. The young need to be able to live their life, networking, meeting people who may become partners. Socialising, enjoying university. I do not believe the minority should take total precedent over the majority. It’s quite obvious that those now in hospital have not in the main taken up the vaccine. And they are now seeing that the vaccine is having a positive impact on long covid too. I may indeed catch it and be ill. I could even die. But I also may drop dead of something else. I’ve done everything I can to mitigate that. I now want my grandson to be able to get on with his life without having a testing strip constantly stuck up his nostril.
Where we are now is not where we were 2 years ago. Time to get on with life. Things can always be looked at again if need be.
 
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I have had my 4th covid jab but I still feel uneasy with crowds although we still have restrictions here in France, but I am sure if your government says it's safe I suppose it must be safe
 
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@sno0opy not sure if it’s just a typo, but the death rate even now is more like 1,000 a week.

@becca59 Scotland are indeed dropping some of the restrictions, but are continuing with testing and having the infected self isolate, rather than go out and about as they see fit, and potentially spread it. I don’t think anybody is asking for lockdowns or never ending restrictions.

I wonder what BJ knows that every other elected leader in the world doesn’t ....
 

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Hi, everyone, I do hope you don't get a fatal dose of covid, like my friend did the day before, a d has subsequently lassed, he like most of the elderly (over 60's) have one of more underlying issues
It has always been this government aim to keep our country as open as possible, and the main reason is money!
Regardless of the medical profession, the government has ignored the advice and ploughed on with the policy of 'don't stop the money and don't have people dying in the streets! That's the only policy regarding health care!
Everything they have done has been in response, to the dictate of still making money for the super rich and **** the consequences.
The main reason for opening up is to try and control finances for the next general election.The government need a stimulus after covid and brexit and have resorted to austerity and inflation to deny their last election promises. And still giving bankers a tax reward, whilst hitting the rest of us with underhand tax rises and forced to borrowing money to pay the energy bills.
This government does not care about you and me! Their interest is in money and the financial district and Russian laundered money to pay for the party and parties!
I have had anxiety throughout the pandemic, not because of covid though it did become worse because I was the one doing the shopping for my disabled wife and her late father (died Boxing day!) And if they got this deadly infection, it was because I brought it in frok the shops! It is not something that you can ignore or not care about!
along with the rest of my big family, my love for those around me is not something to ignore!
ask those in the front line? my son is a nurse in a covid ward! His words when he heard,, were not flattering!
Ask those who work in care homes? My daughter in law works in a card home! She couldn't believe it!
ask those who work in shops? My other daughter in law works for Sainsbury 's? Not happy!
Ask those who are drivers, wether delivering food or stuck in a brexit queue at the ferry terminal! My son is such, and has got himself a new job, he said, 'What a clown! He is chuffin destroying this country!
Ask a teacher? My daughter is a teacher in a junior school! Still got no covid ventilation and how is it, the kids are still being sent home, if they show symptoms? How do we know if a child has covid when we are not testing?
Ask an Importer in steel? This year alone has been a disaster with the amount of brexit paper work, still many vessels with crew on board with covid! Ships having to wait outside ports all around the world before the ships are unloaded!

My other son, who use to work for the police as a civilian telephone operator, has told me many heartbreaker stories of so many people trying to get help for their loved ones, and are totally desperate for any help!
My grandson is a builder, my other is a computer specialist for the local council!

Ask them?

This virus is fatal to those who are susceptible, like me, the wife and her late father, if the viral load is enough to cause a hospital bed to be used! It is not the flu! It is not a cold!
It is, a pandemic that has had a direct or indirect fatal outcome for over 170,000 deaths in the U.K.! Over five million in the world, and it is nowhere near finished!
If you ask the right questions, ignoring this virus, is a total gamble on our lives! Can you trust this clown and his cronies look after the health of all of us?
When they are in discussions with American health insurance companies!
This Tory government have denied real investment in the nhs, for one reason only! Because when (if) they allow these insurance companies to take over, it would have to measure that the present NHS system is not working! And in just over a decade, they have managed to ensure a health service that is underfunded, understaffed, outsourcing, lack of skills and waiting lists that go around the hospitals many times!
And it has all been deliberate!
That is our representatives, who are supposed to look after us!
Not the Russian oligarks! Not the super rich who buy their right to live here and set up companies and use our banks to launder criminal!y gained Russian money!
And a certain friend of the PM, who is Russian and a friend of Putin, has been rewarded by Boris to be one of our members in the house of lords!
And no one is surprised at the depth of this government's commitment to failure! To be the onlycountry, government to declare it's over, when the other 180 other countries have no immediate plans to lessen all the restrictions and being reckless with it's population lives!
Even those countries whom are a subject of derision and jokes are calling us totally insane, it is too soon, too early and has anyone told the virus, it's over?
The reasoning that, we should be able to be intelligent enough to know what to do, if we have it, when we are controlled by our family and working schedule that even if we are responsible, the virus will still spread without check, even more without testing, tracing and having the information and knowledge it gives, to not use it, if the virus is still around!
Because of my wife, I am still keeping the restrictions that are most important not to give my wife the virus!
I couldn't cope with the thought of her demise, if it happened!

Ask @zand, about long covid?


Ask anyone who has been in the trenches, on the front lines. Dealing with this, for over two years now!
Ask the paramedics, nurses, doctors, auxiliary staff, who were left wide open to the virus, when we were so unprepared, despite, the commons committee on infectious disease in 2017! I'm talking of the front line staff who have died due to austerity, to the staff, that have seen so many deaths and serious illness in unbelievable numbers, that has caused so much mental health problems!
NOT the lockdown mental issues, that every one of us has suffered.
Our front line staff have sacrificed too much, for this bunch of charlatans and liars and thieves? And much more!

Well, you did ask!!!!!!
 
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I’m not worried at all, in fact I’m pleased about the lifting of restrictions, and I say that as someone significantly affected by the virus - I still have Long Covid, but would rather live my life. Long Covid imposes enough restrictions without more of dubious benefit being piled on top.

However for me one of the most damaging impacts of this pandemic is the animosity and polarisation that has been caused. As in many areas of life, there doesn’t seem to be much room for those who don’t fit neatly into a box and I’m definitely one of those. ‘Us v them’ in any situation is not helpful.
 
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No offence to types 2's but I was told at clinic that Type 1 is an Autoimmune disorder, so surely
more at risk than type 2?
 

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I think it’s time and totally agree with the majority of no more restrictions. BUT the lifting of one of the restrictions bothers me a lot and I admit it’s only because of our house personal circumstances. My son who has autism and has an absolute total fear of needles that just can’t be rationalised with him hasn’t had any jabs so he is totally vulnerable.

I think the new rule about not having to isolate and in fact not even inform people in your vicinity that you have Covid is unfair on others in your “company” - It takes away personal choice of being around someone with Covid, there is a lot of still very vulnerable people for whom this virus can be dangerous and having the decision to protect themselves taken out of their hands is scary.

we are expecting workmen in the house in a couple of weeks for at least 2 weeks, knowing they can potentially bring Covid into our home under the no rules is concerning. They could all knowingly have Covid and choose not to tell anyone. I know I won’t be the only household that’s this vulnerable but I feel the government are once again treating the vulnerable/disabled/elderly as second class citizens
 

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My son who has autism and has an absolute total fear of needles that just can’t be rationalised with him hasn’t had any jabs so he is totally vulnerable.

How old is he?
"Totally vulnerable" is a rather odd way of putting it as the most at risk are the very old and very sick.
As I'm guessing he'e neither of those then why is he any more at risk?

Whilst I don't have his needle fear, I too have elected not to get any jabs and so far have been fine without really taking any special precautions.
 

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How old is he?
"Totally vulnerable" is a rather odd way of putting it as the most at risk are the very old and very sick.
As I'm guessing he'e neither of those then why is he any more at risk?

Whilst I don't have his needle fear, I too have elected not to get any jabs and so far have been fine without really taking any special precautions.


"So Far".........Good luck
 
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