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Desmond

Mud Island Dweller

Mud Island Dweller

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Location
Mud island
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
An awful lot.
I have just been on the desmond course and to say l was under impressed is an understatement.On the comments l put negative to everything and that the course was s**t. Also said l doubt they would have me on a patient group l am to outspoken.

One lady said that she used to take her bloods but gave up as she was worried.... her blood at 2hrs were 11 and at 3hrs was heading down it made no sense. She was told oh well it is going down so that is fine. They should have said see your dr instead they said so long as it came down fine... ***! My DN said if you hit 10 l am worried 8 is ok all l read 11 is wayyyy over high and .....

They hated my low carb high fat... l knew they would, they said that Sweden basically didn't know what they were doing. Low fat and lite foods were pushed and worry about cals and never ever ever touch saturated fats. Look for sugar but dont worry about carbs just cut them down a bit. it is ok to drink just cut down.

They said you absorbed your food from your stomach you don't and l think they were nurses?

I refused to join in with the stupid activities as it was all designed to push carbs up kill fats and read labels to a high degree wrongly.
I had several arguments over low carb high fat and things they were saying and told them how it worked and why. At lunch people looked at me horrified cheese and high fat food single cream in coffee OMG! The anti christ was in their midst.

I called the system they tried to push no need to test criminal and asking to cause people complications, they tried to justify it by saying the hba1c tells you all you need to know... yes after doing 3 months + of damage wow that is really good news. But then at least drugs companies can make money on the back of the criminal stupidity. Added to that you dont know how individual foods are affecting you.... you dont need to know... !!!

They did like one point l forced... quit saying loose weight say loose fat. Exercise can help take off fat but you will gain muscle that is heavier why do you think people get so upset exercising and not seeing weight going down..Whether they will or not but did say they would look to taking that up with the head office as a good point.

I am so angry at them if l can find a head office l will rip them a letter l am off to find paperwork l need to angry to be coherent

MID:mad:
 
omg im dreading my appointment to the desmond course as to be honest i took the advice of members here and dropped from 18.1 to never higer than 5.7 theses days and lost 16 odd pounds . despite all that im to go on the course reding ur post i know what to expect as i dont do carbs and it seems to work for me x
 
It will be different for all, l was just rather stressed as l get angry quite fast and first l was left sitting for 30mins despite warning them l was at the poddy same building and turns out the door across the passage.
l had been seen at reception by woman taking the course 2x before and after poddy, they had on the sheet l may need an extra shout as l was at the poddy at 9:10. And when the main receptionist said oh they went in about 30 mins ago this at 10am rushed in to be told oh l saw you, didn't realise it was you thought you weren't in today sadly for her the details were on her sheet l saw it...Put me in a really good mood as you can guess.

Then it went downhill....

l wanted to add obesity in symptoms we had a bit of an argument over that little titbit they wanted obesity in cause ...l won the argument.

If you are forewarned so to speak take it as a day off work, stick to your guns don't be afraid to talk up and challenge, you may find if your tutors this lot are anything like my lot brush it off with "well desmond says...." but at least the others on the course can find out there is more than one way and that to me was importaint.

People on my one wanted to continue alcohol, cakes, sugar spuds in all forms etc despite 2 having signs of problems and one already got tingly toes. And they are assured thats all fine .. have one roast spud and one boiled one instead of 3 roast ones and ditto to bread (go wholemeal) eat basmati rice and pasta you will be fine and similar such comments.

You may well learn something of use as l said we are all different, l tend to be way out on a limb over things.
I did like the graph thingy in the file they give you think looks handy.
 
Ok now I'm worried, I'm suppose to go on this course thingy (I keep calling it Dave for some reason?) and if they don't even know what there doing how is that going to help me? It sounds like the blind leading the confused?


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Take the course for what it is. MUD had a bad experience and didn't suit but that doesn't mean it's a bad course for everyone. There may be some info picked up that will help, if not, it's sometimes just nice to chat to others with diabetes. Apart from this forum, how often do we get a chance to do that. MUD also left the course so positive feedback regarding losing fat not weight which can't be bad !


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I agree go as l said l got a good graph thingy (front of the file/booklet) has to always be something good up as Mo said. And then can update how it went, bit disheartening if your area is like ours l can not believe it could be, so cheer me up and say it was brilliant . Could sort of start a area Dave map (l love the term Dave so using that from now on)

MID ;)
 
Went on mine.
Chatted to others, the food (low fat) suited me.
Got the names of the local diabetic specialist nurses, the dietician, the nhs health centre physio for some gym work.
Got referred, through a mixture of cold calling, my doctor, and the desmond staff.
Even to the nhs golf session.
Never looked back.

Even if you don't agree with it all, you can learn at least one thing.
 
I've never been on an education course (was told there weren't any when I was diagnosed in 2007), just a chat with the practice nurse (which told me nothing). Learnt everything I know from this forum :)
 
frankly i just want to know what I can, can't eat :) I'm a bit dumb when it comes to this stuff, I'm unfortunately one of those people that at times need things spelled out plainly :) but I'm glad I joined this forum :)
 
Lots of options of food you know through reading here. l will accept unsure cautious as words but your posts so far show no signs of a dumb person.
Your diet will be based on what you read here and elsewhere and hear around the place and decide on through careful consideration of it all. Not what you are told to eat, those are the actions of some one who is dumb.

MID
 
you would think that :) I think if you're given guidelines on what to do, like stay away from carbs, use carbs, what sugars are good and which are bad, (I've already cut out processed foods and junk food for now) it should be OK! I'm hoping I can wangle a blood test meter thingy so I can compile my own list of things I get on with and what i don't. also keep a diary of what and when and where I eat. no way will I remember it all lol!

I've found I eat when bored or stressed, I didn't realise how dependent I was on food to be honest. but i'm trying. I'm currently working threw Uni course work and my DVD collection (it's rather extensive shall we say, to the point it scares even my Mum lol) and we'll not mention the books, dear Gods the books are out of control, but I'm staying away from them for now or I'll never get any work done :) I think replacing food as a distraction will help with the eating habits!

I THINK this is the right thing to do, or a good idea anyways :)
 
Ohhh a book worm l love my books, kindle l have found is great so many free ones and if you want on most books it can talk them to you. And so many free or really cheap books. l agree nothing like a real book but l love my kindle now and l never thought l would.

DVD not really my thing l never look at them to be honest.

For me on the controlled carb high fat (trying to change it as someone suggested in another forum as low carb is a contentious word) but l don't feel hungry when l stress or get bored before l would shovel food into my mouth. l can sort of see why this would happen. .

If the drs wont give you one one then you contact the meter suppliers then they will generally send you one free of charge with about 10 free strips.
I use the Abbot one the Freedom Frestyle Lite l like it, someone from here said they got 2 boxes of 50 sticks for £33 inc postage direct from Abbot.
If you can get a script from the drs then it is free don't buy them via the chemist they are between £22 and 28/box of 50 strips.
There is all sorts of fancy meters but to be honest l think as a type 2 (if you are) a basic is perfect..

Once you have the meter ask the company to send you the download lead and you also download any software from the site you need and you can download the meter info and yummm will drive you nuts if like me you like to collect info. Don't worry if no lead at the start the meter saves the info well mine does for 90 days.

Others like the SD codefree but l am weary due to revues on amazon although others here say it isnt a problem it is a lot cheaper on the sticks l think amazon does them for about £8/box.
 
Mud Island Dweller said:
Ohhh a book worm l love my books, kindle l have found is great so many free ones and if you want on most books it can talk them to you. And so many free or really cheap books. l agree nothing like a real book but l love my kindle now and l never thought l would.

DVD not really my thing l never look at them to be honest.

For me on the controlled carb high fat (trying to change it as someone suggested in another forum as low carb is a contentious word) but l don't feel hungry when l stress or get bored before l would shovel food into my mouth. l can sort of see why this would happen. .

If the drs wont give you one one then you contact the meter suppliers then they will generally send you one free of charge with about 10 free strips.
I use the Abbot one the Freedom Frestyle Lite l like it, someone from here said they got 2 boxes of 50 sticks for £33 inc postage direct from Abbot.
If you can get a script from the drs then it is free don't buy them via the chemist they are between £22 and 28/box of 50 strips.
There is all sorts of fancy meters but to be honest l think as a type 2 (if you are) a basic is perfect..

Once you have the meter ask the company to send you the download lead and you also download any software from the site you need and you can download the meter info and yummm will drive you nuts if like me you like to collect info. Don't worry if no lead at the start the meter saves the info well mine does for 90 days.

Others like the SD codefree but l am weary due to revues on amazon although others here say it isnt a problem it is a lot cheaper on the sticks l think amazon does them for about £8/box.
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I have a Kindle, it has most of my book's on it. I love books, the feel and smell but I generally don't take them out of the house now a days (i have lost a few due to fitting, dropped one in a puddle and didn't know about it until a good five minutes later, i was so gutted :( ) my kindle is in a rubber case so dropping it isn't an issue, puddles, well nothing in life is perfect.

I love my films, I'm a total, unrepentant sci-fi geek, I also love my fantasy and Supernatural/MILD horror films, if it doesn't have too much gore in it, then i generally like it. i like a story, not a mental shock to the system! I also love my cartoon/disney films. I also have a thing for anima's too :) my two top favorites are Samurai X and Blue Exorcist :)

I think experimenting is going to be the key. I'll ask my GP about the meter thing, my surgery is generally ok with this type of thing so there's a fifty/fifty chance they'll let me have one with the strips on prescription. if not then will visit the site and ask nicely if they'll let me have one. I'm lucky I have no issues with needles (lots of tattoo's) so I should be ok and Mum can show me what to do :)

and yes I am a Type Two :)
 
There is no "good sugars" they are all sugar.
The difference is if it says sugar it is an instant (or almost instant) body hit.
If it says carbs then it will take longer but it will still convert to sugar and your body will still treat it as such.

Sadly to me putting it as good and bad is confusing for people who think oh l can still have .....
If you treat them as all bad you have better control and a better weapon to make decisions with.

As you are into reading then l would suggest having a read of the following someone put up from the Swedish Health Service about the Low Carb High Fat diet which they now recommend for diabetics and obese people there is also other links off that.......or controlled carb a better term l want to get into using.

Good to hear about the meter whosoever it is you get go to the makers website and get any software and leads you should find they are somewhere in the diabetic section free and info flows :happy:

Forgot to add l am into book wise the same as you are films but blood part isnt a problem l dont care either way :-))
 
Mud Island Dweller said:
There is no "good sugars" they are all sugar.
The difference is if it says sugar it is an instant (or almost instant) body hit.
If it says carbs then it will take longer but it will still convert to sugar and your body will still treat it as such.

Forgot to add l am into book wise the same as you are films but blood part isnt a problem l dont care either way :))
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I guess it's more about the amount then when it comes to sugars!

I HATE gore, not into ripping people open and stuff, yuck! thought I do enjoy my zombie films. I just think if you have a good story, you don't need to rely on buckets of blood and gore and other nasty things to grab your audience.

I love my comics and comic books too :)
 
Mud Island Dweller said:
There is no "good sugars" they are all sugar.
The difference is if it says sugar it is an instant (or almost instant) body hit.
If it says carbs then it will take longer but it will still convert to sugar and your body will still treat it as such.
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Actually the "will take longer" isn't the case. Sucrose and lactose (which are "sugars") are likely to be the last to be hydrolised since the appropriate enzymes are only produced in the small intestine. Whereas enzymes to hydrolise glucose polysaccharides are present in saliva. The "complex carbohydrate" myth is just something made up by the food industry. (With amylopectin being both the most complex carbohydrate and about the easiest for the human digestive system to hydrolise to glucose.)
 
captainpixie said:
I guess it's more about the amount then when it comes to sugars!
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A quirk of the chemistry involved is that carbohydrates which food labels don't call "sugars" actually contain more sugars than those which do.
10g of glucose, 9.5g of maltose, 9g of "starch" and 19g of lactose will all deliver 10g of glucose into the blood.
 
Ohh thanks for that Phoenix l want to read that head over there asap

MPE thats even more depressing thanks for the explain I have made a mental note about that for my own reference. l do stick to my comment treat all carbs/sugars as the enemy it gives you more control and is easier to plan meals, snacks and treats that way.
 
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