DIABETIC FOODS

[Superchip]

For example I like apple pie but there are no sugar free ones available.

Not so hard to make your own without sugar (just use a sweeter apple than a bramley and you could use ready made pastry but however it's made a traditional apple pie is never going to be very low in carbohydrates. There will be natural sugars in the apple and carbohydrates in the pastry (and some types of pastry may be very high fat)

Have you looked at the ingredients of some 'sugar free' foods ? Here's the ingredients of Tastykake Cream Filled Coffee Cupcakes from an online specialist store. It was the first I looked at, not specifically selected. It demonstrates to me why I would avoid such foods. ( it's maybe low in carb and sugar but high in chemicals and in this case seems to contain the very worst type of fats)

BLEACHED ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE-B1, RIBOFLAVIN-B2, FOLIC ACID), VEGETABLE SHORTENING (SOYBEAN OIL, PALM OIL, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL, COTTONSEED OIL, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED COTTONSEED OIL AND/OR HYDROGENATED COTTONSEED OIL WITH TBHQ AND CITRIC ACID ADDED TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), WATER, MALTITOL, EGGS, POLYDEXTROSE, MALTITOL SYRUP, MAY CONTAIN 2% OR LESS OF: WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE (MILK), LEAVENING (SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, BAKING SODA, SODIUM ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE), FOOD STARCH - MODIFIED, CINNAMON, GLYCERINE, PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOSTEARATE, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, ISOLATED SOY PROTEIN, SKIM MILK, WHEAT GLUTEN, WHEY (MILK), CORNSTARCH, SALT, BUTTER, CELLULOSE GUM, GUM ARABIC, SODIUM STEAROYL LACTYLATE, GUAR GUM, SODIUM PROPIONATE (TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), SUCRALOSE, SORBIC ACID (TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), XANTHAN GUM, COCONUT OIL,CORN FLOUR, POLYSORBATE 60, NUTMEG, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, SORBITAN MONOSTEARATE, SOY LECITHIN, POTASSIUM SORBATE (TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOESTER. Warning: MANUFACTURED IN A FACILITY THAT USES PEANUTS. Certifications: kosher This product contains glycerine which is not a carbohydrate but has 4.32 calories per gram. This product may contain traces of nuts. Excess consumption may cause a laxative effect

Well I think that Pheonix has pinpointed exactly what I was trying to say that the food manufacturers are RESPONSIBLE for the dire situation that we find ourselves in.It's cause and effect, the cause is unscrupulous food manufacturers and he effect is the unforgivable effect on people's sad health conditions.It's the blatant delivery of **** foods on to the shelves that lots of people can not resist on a price and 'fill their bellies up as CHEAP as possible ' basis ! Manufactured HEALTH CRISIS !

Pile the **** high and sell it cheap ! works every time, maybe other posters on here should take note , wake up and smell the cheap coffee ! Eat less but better quality, the only way to go. Forget supermarkets and shop locally especially at your butcher ( if there is one left ! ) Some people can not see what is going on, you know who you are.

Right who's for coffee and doughnuts ?

Superchip

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Superchip why do you blame someone else for your own choices?

 

[MCMLXXIII]

There is no "acute difference" between "man-made chemicals" and those that "occur naturally in the body."

If there were differences between the two, you would have expired a long time ago.

Any chemical can be broken down and remade into its constituent elements. Therefore, for example, salt is salt whether it is found in your body or as "table salt". No difference whatsoever.

Could you explain the "acute difference" between any chemical that is in your body and the same chemical outside your body?

Perhaps through my own explanation I've been taken out of context.
Sea salt is better for you than table salt or the peddled lower sodium sea salt, you have a choice which you wish to take.
Hence the natural sea salt which man has consumed for thousands of years is much more welcome by the body in its chemical composition than its refined counterparts.
I'm sorry but if we agree to disagree on this then that's fine, i wish you all the best.
But for me this is really very simple, should i stuff my face with doughnuts i understand the body will break it down into the base chemicals it consists of, no problem, but that foodstuff in itself is bad for me for a variety of reasons so i naturally wouldn't do it.
Really sorry but unless my wires are completely crossed i don't see you're logic.
Consider then i go and have a bowl of porridge, that too, ultimately will be broken down into chemicals, but in my case this time its a far more acceptable breakdown for my body to synergistically digest,use and breakdown without the complications provided by the doughnuts.:smile:
This explains my ethos better than my twisted vocabulary often can:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... oming-soon

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[controller]

OK. However you have clearly shown the power of choice.

I maintain that there is not enough sugar free diabetic foods available to give diabetics the basic practice of choice.

 

[AMBrennan]

Once again, diabetic food serves its purpose - it allows people to eat food they otherwise couldn't (saying "just eat meat and veg" is not much of a solution when I want to eat a milk chocolate bar), or eat food they would otherwise have to inject insulin for without taking extra insulin.

This is usually achieved by replacing sugar and starch with (basically) sweetened cardboard, thus the laxative effect.

Sea salt is better for you than table salt

Where do you think table salt comes from? A mad scientist mixing sodium with chloride in a lab? No, of course not - it's either extracted from water (I.e. sea salt)or mined (I.e. sea salt deposits)

Superchip why do you blame someone else for your own choices?

It's not a choice but a simple matter of mathematics: We do not have enough farmland to feed 6.something billion people on grass fed beef. Not everyone has access to "real" food and the rest have to make do with processed supermarket food - 80% of which apparently has added sugar.

 

[MCMLXXIII]

Sea salt is better for you than table salt

Where do you think table salt comes from? A mad scientist mixing sodium with chloride in a lab? No, of course not - it's either extracted from water (I.e. sea salt)or mined (I.e. sea salt deposits)
Erm yes...
Sea salt is a natural antibiotic, particularly good is the Himalayan variety as it retains many of its minerals.
Table salt has added anti caking agents added by a mad scientist mixing sodium with chloride in a lab once its been extracted from water or mined:-|

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[Robinredbreast]

Hi, to get back on track with diabetic foods, I remember this.

Back in the 1970's, when I was a teenager, I remember BOOTS the chemist having diabetic foods.

My uncle had type 1 diabetes ( but it really wasn't talked about then) and everytime he came to visit us, my mum, an auxillary nurse, would go straight to Boots and buy, diabetic jam, marmalde, biscuits, sweets and I think jelly? My uncle would have marmalade or jam on toast and the biscuits with a cup of tea. I don't think he carb counted :?: but I remember seeing the syringes and I thought it was something a bit sinister, but medical at the same time

I have seen diabetic icecream in the supermarkets freezer cabinate, but I have never tried it. I try to eat a healthy varied diet ( not counting the Coeliac disease ) with carbs, proteins, dairy, veggies and fruit. I have tried diabetic sweets,as a treat in the past, but they weren't great on the tummy area :lol:

All the best RRB

 

[Vera Bout]

I have also been told to avoid "diabetic food" due to the reasons listed above, just gives the food manufacturers extra money in the bank for producing "more rubbish"
We certainly all know what the food producers will stop at when it comes to producing as cheap as possible....NOTHING! :x

 

[Rhoadessheridan]

Anyone got any advice on foods for a diabetic vegetarian-- I am not sure if I am struggling with food, or I am just bored with food

 

[WilliamIrvine]

OK. However you have clearly shown the power of choice.

I maintain that there is not enough sugar free diabetic foods available to give diabetics the basic practice of choice.

Controller whilst I totally agree with you - you will find that it is strongly recommended that you stick to a normal healthy diet. A lot of these diabetic products contain other stuff which in truth is actually worse off for you than the foods available out there.

I haven't eaten diabetic products for a long long time and will never touch them again :sick:

But as you say it is down to personal choice.

I also seem to remember that Diabetes UK in their various other names they have had - did and still do recommend we don't eat the diabetic products
8)

 

[candiloo]

Those that are available are invariably filled with polyols to replace sugar and still have the same or more carbs than ordinary food. Producers of pre prepped foods are under the misconception that it is just sugar that we don't want, when it is carbs - less carbs less insulin. Best to make from scratch, carb count and inject accordingly. Thorntons 'diabetic' sweets have more carbs than the real thing on a lot of the sweets.

 

[controller]

"I also seem to remember that Diabetes UK [ in their various other names they have had - did and still do recommend we don't eat the diabetic products."

Can I ask Diabetes UK [DUK] to re-issue this report.

Would DUK say that their report of date........ is still applicable now? What are the changes?

 

[lovinglife]

"I also seem to remember that Diabetes UK [ in their various other names they have had - did and still do recommend we don't eat the diabetic products."

Can I ask Diabetes UK [DUK] to re-issue this report.

Would DUK say that their report of date........ is still applicable now? What are the changes?

A page from this very website (Diabetes.co.uk)

read through it may give you the info you are looking for


http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetic-food.html

 

[AMBrennan]

Thorntons 'diabetic' sweets have more carbs than the real thing on a lot of the sweets.

Try actually reading the label next time. You are entitled to your opinion on the benefits of replacing sugar with indigestible filler, but it would help if you could get the facts right.

 

[controller]

Thank you lovinglife. Yes, I have read the short article from diabetes.co.uk and frankly I think that it was a cop out by them and the "Food Standards Agency" to simply ban "diabetic food" and "suitable for "diabetics."

Having identified problems including illegal labeling, rather than taking issue and confronting manufacturers / suppliers for telling lies, taking them to court and getting them to actually proper diabetic foods that conform to legal and nutritional standards they took the easy option.

All this has accomplished is deny any choice or variety to people with diabetes.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Thank you lovinglife. Yes, I have read the short article from diabetes.co.uk and frankly I think that it was a cop out by them and the "Food Standards Agency" to simply ban "diabetic food" and "suitable for "diabetics."

Its not a cop out controler it is simply saying what everyone else here has been saying, that diabetic foods are generally NOT good for diabetics as they just contain less sugar but it is NOT sugar that we as diabetics have to be mindful of it is ALL carbohydrates.

And the sugar in many cases is replaced by sweeteners that have a laxative effect so you should eat diabetic foods at your risk.

I would seriously doubt that anyone here is going to join a crusade for more processed diabetic foods.

 

[controller]

This is not a crusade; it is simply asking pertinent questions in the twenty first century that proper, legal and nutritious diabetic foods are made available. If folk choose not to buy them, that is their choice. However I am sure that there are those of us who will buy and use such foods.

The arguments that ready made diabetic foods would contain "fillers" and other unwholesome "****" therefore it should not be made available, does not hold true because normal ready made foods must also contain these harmful ingredients and unsuspecting consumers buy and readily use them without any care. Food producers and suppliers are getting away with it and making huge profits in the bargain. What does not kill will fatten; just look at the obesity scourge in the UK!

 

[Juliasealey]

Why do we feel the need to label things. Boots used to do a range of diabetic food and it was costly, limited on what you could buy and full of laxatives!!!!!! Great. Food these days has all the nutritional values on boxes, cabs etc and there is more of a range to choose from today than there was thirty years ago when I was diagnosed. My mum used to spend hours in the shops trying to getting fruit in its own juice rather than syrup. To say its just for diabetics is limiting to the amount of people that would buy it and it would be very expensive. I just don't see the point on putting a label on things we can just buy things off the shelf these days.

 

[Sketcher]

Well said, Julia. With all the food labelling we have these days, it's easy for anyone to avoid what is bad for them, be it carbs, saturated fats, gluten, nuts, artificial sweeteners, salt or whatever. You just need a good pair reading glasses!


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[controller]

It is also right to question everything that comes under the umbrella of "food". Labeling was so effective that illegal horse meat was found in many so called "reputable" foods. Moreover, how long has this been going on? A few decades at least? If you choose to accept what a food label says without question that is your choice.

I still maintain that legal, nutritious diabetic foods should be easily available. Again, if you choose not to buy such foods for whatever reasons; that is entirely your choice. At least you will have the right to exercise your choice; I have no argument with that. Neither should you have any arguments with folk who choose to use diabetic foods!!