Diabetic in police custody

ChrisMaleType1

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Hello, I'd like to ask for your advice please.

Last year I was arrested and held in custody in a London police station. I was arrested in the morning before I had had my basal and I forgot to take this insulin with me when I was taken to the station. I was held in the police cell for the rest of the day and I realised later on that I hadn't had my basal insulin. I had brought my meal-time bolus insulin and my correction insulin to the police station and this was held by the police while I was in custody so I did not have access to my medicine. I repeatedly asked if I could correct my blood sugar with my insulin and this was refused. I was told that I had to eat before I could have any insulin! That's obviously problematic because I needed to correct my blood sugar levels that were going up before I would consider eating but it's also problematic because diabetics are supposed to take insulin before eating, not the other way round!

I've complained to the police. Their response amounted to a whitewash and I've appealed the decision. The appeal has been sent to the Independent Office for Police Conduct whose decision is final. I am going to send them some extra information.

I was given a copy of some guidelines when I was in custody and they appear to be slightly different from the guidelines here Recommendations - Management of Diabetes Mellitus in Custody | FFLM which the police are referring to in their defence, though that may not be important. The guidelines say that 'a diabetic needs food to take insulin', a statement that is clearly mistaken. They also say 'a diabetic should not be prevented from using his/her normal medicine' and 'In the event the usual insulin is not available [it] is recommended to obtain a suitable prescription via the emergency department, or the [healthcare professional] may prescribe a short-acting insulin'.

I had my short-acting insulins with me and I would normally correct my high blood sugar and then probably take my basal after that. I was told I could not have my insulin without eating and I could not check my blood glucose myself. I believe that's wrong. My blood glucose skyrocketed and I was taken to the hospital (while still under arrest) with high ketones, ph level, and blood glucose. This had a bad effect on how I felt and it will also have had a detrimental effect on my long-term health so that's why I've complained and appealed.

I'd also like to point out that the guidance says 'It may be safer practice to maintain BG levels higher than the optimum community levels to reduce vulnerability to hypoglycaemia in detention'. I do not think that's right. A diabetic should have the same treatment as they would expect normally in the community or at home. Aside from the health effects of having high blood glucose, I don't think a diabetic can answer police questions as well as when their blood glucose is being properly managed. I felt really unwell during questioning but I answered the police questions as well as I could.

I'm wondering if someone has had a similar experience while in police custody, has complained to the police, or appealed a police complaint, or has any information that could help me in my desire to get justice? Ultimately I want to change the guidelines so that I and others aren't put in a similarly impossble, or difficult, situation.

I believe it should be my human right to equal and fair treatment while in police custody and that means the police should have given me my medication. What do you think?

I've messaged diabetes.co.uk and diabetes.org.uk directly and so far I haven't had a response. Thank you for reading.
 
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@ChrisMaleType1 sorry to read about your plight.
Diabetes UK have an advocacy team and helpline.
I would recommend phoning them for assistance. They have the skills and resources to lobby on your (and our) behalf if the police advice is invalid.
 

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Hi,

I'm sorry you had a rough deal in custody.

I'll hold my hand up & say i've had a couple of brushes in my yoof. Treated accommodatingly well & released without charge.

I'll tag in someone who may know where you might stand on this. @KK123
 

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I've found a phone number and a form on diabetes.org.uk so I'll phone them today. Thanks
 

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Thank you. Is that diabetes.org.uk?
Yes - it is the UK diabetes charity that funds research, lobbies parliament, provides diabetes education and provides support for people struggling with the impacts of diabetes such as those facing discrimination at work or school.

And it does this for no profit.
 

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Hi @ChrisMaleType1 (thanks @Jaylee).

May I ask did you see a Nurse or medical person whilst at the Station?, the Police cannot administer any medicine themselves and they also cannot allow a person in custody to have access to potentially dangerous medicine unless under constant supervision by a Nurse/medical person SO they MUST immediately get medical advice. I don't know what the full circumstances in your case were but there ARE fairly stringent rules around providing treatment to people in custody and each case is judged on its merits. For example, a type 1 diabetic who is violent on arrest may not be in a position to tell the police they are diabetic immediately, (not saying you were of course) so things like that could delay treatment. If you accept, notwithstanding any surrounding issues, that a person has been arrested and upon being booked in tells the Custody Officer their condition, then a Nurse should immediately be asked to attend. That Nurse then examines and speaks to the person and then relays all information to the Custody Officer with EXACT directions/instructions as to how medicine is to be used, when and in what circumstances etc. Did that happen do you know? That is basically what SHOULD happen. It sounds like it didn't so you definitely have the right to appeal. There is a 'rule book' if you like, so it's fairly straightforward for any Investigator to see if it was followed and there is copious cctv as well to assist. I do hope this helps.

**Edited to add; one more thing, if you do not get the outcome you desire then you CAN sue the Police and let a Court decide **
 
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If I were you I would also lobby your local MP. Things like this you need to come at from as many sides as possible.
 
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Hello, I'd like to ask for your advice please.

Last year I was arrested and held in custody in a London police station. I was arrested in the morning before I had had my basal and I forgot to take this insulin with me when I was taken to the station. I was held in the police cell for the rest of the day and I realised later on that I hadn't had my basal insulin. I had brought my meal-time bolus insulin and my correction insulin to the police station and this was held by the police while I was in custody so I did not have access to my medicine. I repeatedly asked if I could correct my blood sugar with my insulin and this was refused. I was told that I had to eat before I could have any insulin! That's obviously problematic because I needed to correct my blood sugar levels that were going up before I would consider eating but it's also problematic because diabetics are supposed to take insulin before eating, not the other way round!

I've complained to the police. Their response amounted to a whitewash and I've appealed the decision. The appeal has been sent to the Independent Office for Police Conduct whose decision is final. I am going to send them some extra information.

I was given a copy of some guidelines when I was in custody and they appear to be slightly different from the guidelines here Recommendations - Management of Diabetes Mellitus in Custody | FFLM which the police are referring to in their defence, though that may not be important. The guidelines say that 'a diabetic needs food to take insulin', a statement that is clearly mistaken. They also say 'a diabetic should not be prevented from using his/her normal medicine' and 'In the event the usual insulin is not available [it] is recommended to obtain a suitable prescription via the emergency department, or the [healthcare professional] may prescribe a short-acting insulin'.

I had my short-acting insulins with me and I would normally correct my high blood sugar and then probably take my basal after that. I was told I could not have my insulin without eating and I could not check my blood glucose myself. I believe that's wrong. My blood glucose skyrocketed and I was taken to the hospital (while still under arrest) with high ketones, ph level, and blood glucose. This had a bad effect on how I felt and it will also have had a detrimental effect on my long-term health so that's why I've complained and appealed.

I'd also like to point out that the guidance says 'It may be safer practice to maintain BG levels higher than the optimum community levels to reduce vulnerability to hypoglycaemia in detention'. I do not think that's right. A diabetic should have the same treatment as they would expect normally in the community or at home. Aside from the health effects of having high blood glucose, I don't think a diabetic can answer police questions as well as when their blood glucose is being properly managed. I felt really unwell during questioning but I answered the police questions as well as I could.

I'm wondering if someone has had a similar experience while in police custody, has complained to the police, or appealed a police complaint, or has any information that could help me in my desire to get justice? Ultimately I want to change the guidelines so that I and others aren't put in a similarly impossble, or difficult, situation.

I believe it should be my human right to equal and fair treatment while in police custody and that means the police should have given me my medication. What do you think?

I've messaged diabetes.co.uk and diabetes.org.uk directly and so far I haven't had a response. Thank you for reading.

Very sorry to hear of this @ChrisMaleType1. Very distressing for you. My younger sister works in the legal world - with the CPS as a matter of fact and she told me the following as I mentioned your post to her:
- if a detained person is in any medical trauma a nurse or medical officer must be summoned. No detained person can have access to any medicine or paraphernalia such as lancets because of safety issues to others and the detained person him/herself. The test here is reasonable requests being ignored to your detriment medically and psychologically.

- if you're saying you were denied that access to medical assistance, my sis says that will be an issue to be tackled; further if you're suggesting that because of the circumstances of your detention you felt unable to effectively present yourself at the police interview due to your diabetic medication being denied, should your case go to trial for any reason, then your counsel would have grounds to tackle this aspect too.

- you can also sue the MPS or the police service in question on a separate civil track.

- also think about heading to a citizens advice bureau for generic legal advice as well as Diabetes Org specialised advocacy.

- your MP should also be roped in...and a letter to that person is worth the effort...

I hope it all works out for you - all the best
 

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No detained person can have access to any medicine or paraphernalia such as lancets because of safety issues to others and the detained person him/herself.

Just wondering, given the increasing access to cgms, whether a T1 would be allowed to have their cgm reader with them in the cell? And what happens to pumpers in a cell? Maybe they are issued with basal/bolus insulin and required to remove their pump???

Huge can of worms here as regards T1 treatment.

I guess the most critical thing is that a nurse be called as soon as a patient identifies as being on insulin. Hopefully he or she would have the knowledge to recognise that a T1 needs their insulin and/or blood testing equipment.. (Oh, I'm going to go on a rampage and kill my cellmates with my lancets....) Though I guess that lancets could be used to transmit blood borne viruses (bit of s stretch but not impossible).


@ChrisMaleType1 I hope you make some waves here. It looks like the guidelines for T1s need some serious updates. Good luck.
 

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Incidentally I had a medical alert bracelet on when I visited a specialist in London. The specialist spotted it and told me a story of one of their patients who had nearly died in custody. Arrested for anti social behaviour , processed and put in a cell. Thought to be asleep until they didn't wake up. DKA & blue lights to hospital followed.

I'm not planning on being arrested any time soon but it did make me think how easily it could all go wrong.

Hope you get answers and an apology OP
 

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The advice to only have insulin with food is wrong and shows a lack of understanding of diabetes. The advice clearly needs to be updated and diabetes.org.uk should be contacted to help.
 

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Hopefully he or she would have the knowledge to recognise that a T1 needs their insulin and/or blood testing equipment.. (Oh, I'm going to go on a rampage and kill my cellmates with my lancets....)

Hi Ellie, I know this was tongue in cheek but I have seen Officers injured by ALL sorts of things that were left in the hands of people in cells. A lancet with a needle, or an insulin pen with a needle and containing insulin is dangerous IF it's in the hands of a violent person for example. I'm not saying the OP was of course, I have no idea what he was arrested for or what his demeanour was. Unfortunately even a calm, lovely person in custody can suddenly attempt to harm themselves or others which is why ALL property is taken from them because who is to say what might happen. Of course a person who requires ongoing medication and so on COULD be placed under constant supervision, ie cell door left open with a Detention Officer sat there watching but even then the person would not be able to administer insulin other than by a nurse because it would be easy for them to overdose (same with a pump). Normally the intent is to get the person dealt with and out of custody pronto if they have certain conditions but if the offence is serious etc, then that's not always possible. My guess here is that the Nurse has given the Police the info about insulin & food and I wouldn't be surprised if it needs updating. Next time I'm at work I will take a look at the exact details & wording if you (and others) are interested. When I'm at work and I hear someone saying 'This person is hypo or has diabetes', I'm in there shouting advice!!! x
 
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Next time I'm at work I will take a look at the exact details & wording if you (and others) are interested. When I'm at work and I hear someone saying 'This person is hypo or has diabetes', I'm in there shouting advice!!!

Thanks, that would be really interesting. And I'd really really love to know what the regulations say about T1s on insulin pumps.
 

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Thanks, that would be really interesting. And I'd really really love to know what the regulations say about T1s on insulin pumps.

Yep, I would be VERY surprised if it mentioned pumps but I will take a look. Also I will make every effort to get things highlighted if it appears outdated or totally wrong etc! I suspect the policy will say 'If person has diabetes...contact Nurse for advice' BUT it's also interesting what 'training' or expertise a Nurse has. As we all know if it's an 'average' Nurse then gawd help us. x
 
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'If person has diabetes...contact Nurse for advice

So is there a full time nurse attached to a police station or do they call one in from a hospital? I agree, it seems unlikely that a general nurse will know that much about diabetes, let alone insulin pumps.
 

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Yep, I would be VERY surprised if it mentioned pumps but I will take a look. Also I will make every effort to get things highlighted if it appears outdated or totally wrong etc! I suspect the policy will say 'If person has diabetes...contact Nurse for advice' BUT it's also interesting what 'training' or expertise a Nurse has. As we all know if it's an 'average' Nurse then gawd help us. x
So the pump gets taken away because it's potentially lethal, and the Nurse has to administer insulin. How does she know how much? If my bg is at 20, I need a 100unit bolus. That could kill an average type one. If I don't get that though, I can go into DKA. Either way the system is risking lives.

Out of curiosity, do the police remove oxygen cylinders from people with breathing difficulties? They're potentially hazardous too.

And never mind an average nurse, an average GP might not be able to transfer a patient from a pump to basal bolus.
 

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Thanks, that would be really interesting. And I'd really really love to know what the regulations say about T1s on insulin pumps.

I can provide my own experience. I've been held in custody two times and the first time I was wearing a pump and they let me keep it on. I think I actually had my blood pricker and tester on me as well.