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Diagnosed a few days ago

cazza54

Well-Known Member
Messages
136
Location
UK
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Turnips and Tuna fish!
I have been peeing pints and drinking pints of water for a while now, feeling very tired and lethargic and am very overweight (although I have lost weight recently) so my sister-in-law dragged me to the doctors on Wednesday morning. Although I was told open surgery hours had finished for the day, my sister in law insisted I was seen.

I had a blood test taken, along with a glucose blood test and pee test. The pee showed lots of sugar, a trace of key tones and a little blood. The blood glucose was 23.00 mmil/L.

I was told I have diabetes, which was a total shock. I have been given an appointment with the practice's diabetic nurse but its not for almost 2 weeks. I have got a monitor to test my blood with and have been put on one 500mg Metformin tablet a day (with breakfast).

I understand that I have to limit my carbohydrates, but I am not sure to how much. Can anyone advise?

I am having up and down periods during the day. My lowest reading has been 12.9. The tablets have given me the squits.

I already have coeliac disease and an therefore on a gluten free diet. The need for further restrictions scares me. It seems I am running out of safe foods to eat!

I would appreciate any help or advise on what to do while waiting for my appointment.

Regards,

Carol
 
Hi Cazza! It will get better. Once you get your blood glucose down to normal levels you will feel much better.

In my opinion the best way to control bg is to eat things that doesn't contribute to blood glucose. Sadly, a lot of the nicest foods do. Anything with grains in it, like bread, pasta, cereal and rice will raise bg but as you are coeliac you probably stay away from these things anyway.

I follow the advice on http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf, works very well for weight loss too apparently if we are to believe our fellow forum members. It certainly normalises bg fast. The basic is to cut down on carbs and up your fat intake. This will normalise insulin requirements and thus lead to weight loss, normal bg and greater insulin sensitivity. A walk a day helps too,

Good you have such determined sister-in-law. She has helped you to a new life.
 
Hi Carol and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thank you so much for your replies, Daisy1 and Totto. I will read the pages you linked to.

Regards,

Carol
 
hello and welcome - everyone is really lovely in here and there's lots of emotional support as well as information which I think is as important as it's a wobbly time when you are first diagnosed xx
 
....hi Carol, your sister in law did the right thing in dragging you to the surgery, she obviously has your best interests at heart...:)

Its daunting when you're first diagnosed, but you'll find lots of help on this forum, I have!
 
Welcome aboard. Carol, from a fellow newbie.

Sounds like you're making good progress with your blood glucose control. With time, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Take some time to read the good advice and info on this forum, it's certainly been a great source of information for me :D

Good luck,

Adam
 
HI and welcome. Yes, with those readings you do have diabetes. Many of us set a limit of perhaps 150gm/day of carbs for starters. As you are a coeliac then some of the problem foods for that will be the same as for diabetes. So, keep the carbs down but fat and protein are OK. BTW, if your bowel problems with Metformin don't ease then ask the GP for the Slow Release (SR) version which is kinder
 
Wow thanks everyone. I can see I am going to learn a lot here. I have saved all the links you have kindly provided to study in depth.

Regards,

Carol
 
I already have coeliac disease and an therefore on a gluten free diet. The need for further restrictions scares me. It seems I am running out of safe foods to eat!

I would appreciate any help or advise on what to do while waiting for my appointment.

Regards,

Carol

There is an undiscovered world in store for you. The Internet is awash with diabetic, keto and paleo cuisine that contains many modified old favourites and fantastic new ones. Consider this taster: peanut cookies. That's chunky peanut butter mixed with an egg and Splenda. 1.5 g carbs per cookie, no gluten. That's 36 cookies in the oven for 10 minutes.

I've got a supplier in Dublin who'll send me out five grainfree paleo loaves for €35, arriving the next day. The bread is made from almond and coconut meal and has a texture like Irish soda bread with a slightly coconutty taste. They also sell the kits for home baking but, truth be told, they're just using a recipe that's common on ketogenic diet websites.
 
Hi Carol - here are some uplifting experiences I've had.

First, since getting my blood sugar under control, I have felt so much better than I have in many years, so much more alive, clear thinking, much better mood, and with the exercise I added now it's like my body gets antsy to go DO something. I enjoy exercise now! Also I was continually too hot despite living here in Singapore for 7 years, but now it feels so much cooler. I was finally able to enjoy the warm weather.

Second, after about a week on a low carb, high fat diet (yes, you read that right!) my perception of taste altered, to where everything I eat tastes really good and exciting. I don't feel restricted at all, despite putting major controls on what I allow into my mouth. There is a lot to eat, and I also never feel hungry, despite continuing to lose weight. It did take a while for the body to fully adjust to the new eating plan though; it has to switch from burning carbs to burning fat for energy, and complained about it at first.

Finally, consider the positives. If other people know you are diabetic, they won't feel put out if you don't eat any of the chocolate birthday cake someone made. And It can give you the motivation to make the changes you already knew we're needed. For me, finding out that I had T2 diabetes has been a very good thing because the work I've done in managing it has dramatically improved my life.
 
Thank you for your kindness and support everyone.

I have been having a good (for me) day with my BG down in the 11s to 12s. Then I had a gluten free prawn sandwich for tea and three hours later the reading is at 18.5 :(

I have kept the carbs down to just under 150g today in total - having almond flour pancake for breakfast and kedgeree for dinner. But I can't seem to get the level to drop further than 11.6 which is my best so far. I'm guessing the clinic will increase the meds if I can't lower it myself.

Feeling down in the dumps tonight, sorry.

Regards,

Carol
 
Try this for a month. No grain, grain product, potato and all sugars.
Google, low carb cravings. To get you through the first week.
Atkins like diet, lots of leafy veg and meat with a don of butter
 
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Thanks Jack. I will try that.

Regards,

Carol
 
Cazza54 I echo every thing every one else has said.
Im lucky im still diet controlled.
I control by reducing my carb intake ( controversial you will find if you are taking to health professionals but you will see on here how many people it works for ) I exercise every day and a group of us on here support each other exercising on the new you in 42 thread.
You will loose weight and feel better as you start to control things.

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Hi Cazza! It will get better. Once you get your blood glucose down to normal levels you will feel much better.

In my opinion the best way to control bg is to eat things that doesn't contribute to blood glucose. Sadly, a lot of the nicest foods do. Anything with grains in it, like bread, pasta, cereal and rice will raise bg but as you are coeliac you probably stay away from these things anyway.

I follow the advice on http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf, works very well for weight loss too apparently if we are to believe our fellow forum members. It certainly normalises bg fast. The basic is to cut down on carbs and up your fat intake. This will normalise insulin requirements and thus lead to weight loss, normal bg and greater insulin sensitivity. A walk a day helps too,

Good you have such determined sister-in-law. She has helped you to a new life.
Hi Cazza,
When I was first diagnosed, I was in the same position as you. No dn appointment for 2 weeks. I came on this forum accidentally, in a state of panic and met Totto. She gave me the same advice as she has given you. I went onto the diet doctor website. I read what he had to say. It made sense but I am not a scientist, I am a languages teacher. I checked out the good docs credentials. He is a proper doc, specialising in obesity and diabetes. I also had issues with cholesterol but decided to give it a go. I have halved my blood sugar and dropped 2 stone 4lbs in weight. Since 28th of Jan 2014.
You may experience some horrible dizziness. I did for 3 weeks. This is your body getting used to the meds and the diet. My metformin had to be reduced after I'd lost 1 3/4 stone as I hypod. Too much metformin! You must drink gallons of water on this diet. The dizziness worried me but it's a stage and it passed.so bear with it. I also stayed the same weight for 3 weeks but then it started to come off again. I have lost about 1-2lbs a week.
In some respects you are lucky. That is an odd statement. When I met my dn she did not like this diet and told me too eat more carbs, that no food was forbidden and that it was about portion control. 2 of the docs at my surgery agreed with her. Mercifully, one didn't. You may meet quite a bit of resistance but trust me, it's worth it. Good luck!
 
Thank you, Scandichick, MudIslandDweller and Jamrox.

No more bread for me then. I am determined to beat this thing called Diabetes. I will read and learn. First dilemma is what to eat for breakfast. Off to dietdoctor.com for me.

Regards,

Carol
 
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