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Diet, blood sugar, medication

DeryckS

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Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
I was diagnosed about 5 weeks ago, original blood surgery level 32. I have worked hard and have adopted a low carbon diet, lost 14kg, and am on Metafor min. My blood sugers are now reasonable 6-11. After all this my Hb1Ac test has only dropped 0.7%. How long until Hb1Ac drops ? My Doctors answer is take more Metaformin, is this the answer?
 
HbA1c measures the last 3 months.
So in 3 months time you should be getting better results if you maintain your improved control.

Oh, and 6-11 is better but not best.
You still have a way to go to get rid of those 11 readings.
More Metformin could be worthwhile. How much are you on at the moment?
 
My Hba1c dropped rapidly after diagnosis but I kept my after meal levels down to 8 and they gradually went down to about 7 without changing what I ate. I had expected to take a year to get down to non diabetic levels but it took 80 days and I was down to normal levels at 6 months.
I think that the upper level of BG is significant - the lower you can keep it the more impact it has on how metabolism and Hba1c changes from what it was when BG was uncontrolled - that is what I suspect anyway.
 
Typical GP response - have another pill. :banghead: Another pill is not the answer, at least not at the moment.

Diet is the key, not Metformin. It may help a little, but not much. 5 weeks is too short a time to see much improvement in an Hba1c. If you continue with low carb you should see an improvement next time. These tests average your BG over the previous 2 to 3 months, so your recent test will have included a lot of the glucose already there before you were diagnosed. You need more time.

As said, your 6 to 11 levels are better, but need to be much better. 11 is too high. When are you seeing 11s?
 
Hi @DeryckS ,

Welcome to the forum.

Tagging in @daisy1 with an info sheet.

Looks like you have a BS meter.? It the best way to gauge what's happening on a daily basis..
You wouldn't drive a car without speedo clocks! :)
 
@DeryckS

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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Hi and welcome!

Well done for turning things around so well. Dropping from blood glucose in the 30s, down to 6-11 is a great achievement.
I agree that it is early days to see the full benefits of your changes in your HbA1c, and I also agree if you are type 2 then diet is the biggest weapon in your arsenal, with exercise next, and medication after that.

But I really do want to congratulate you on your blood glucose readings.
How have you been feeling? Sometimes it takes a bit of transition before we start to feel the full benefits of low carbing.

As for those readings of 11, yes they are higher than ideal, but don't let that discourage you. It often takes a while before we learn how to fine tune our personal eating to fit with our bodies. You would be surprised at the variation between people and how many carbs they can tolerate, and which foods cause a spike.

Can I suggest that you start noting down what you ate before you got those higher readings. You will soon see a pattern and be able to identify which foods and portion sizes are causing the highs.

:)
 
I am also a newbie, but one huge piece of advice I have taken to heart is to keep a diary.

In it note exactly what you eat, the times and your bgs.
I also use mine to keep a mood diary. Not only because I am a comfort eater but because stress does odd things to our blood that has nothing to do with diet.

It has been a stressful few weeks at the kent old peoples home and my readings have reflected that, although I have not changed my lchf diet.

Good luck with it all and congratulations on the hard work so far.
 
I would suggest you do a few things
a) use a recording tool eg https://cronometer.com its free.
b) only eat REAL foods
c) limit your carbs as much as you can stand - as much as down to around 20g per day using the data from cronometer - the more you go cold turkey on carbs the quicker it will be to get your blood sugars down and your hba1C even if eventually you start to add a few back as your weight and glucose levels drop
d) treat your doctors advice re ANY medications as questionable until you have seen what happens with 6 months of the above.

Diabetes is a dietary disease mainly fixed by diet ( and exercise ) not drugs.
Good luck
 
Hi and welcome. Great job you did in lowering your numbers. Keep up the good work.
 
Hi @DeryckS .. and welcome
You have done really well with bringing down your blood sugar levels so far .. and you have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need. It can all seem uphill to start with but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly.

There is a lot of conflicting and sometimes confusing information around .. but the key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes (or pre-diabetes) through exercise, diet and testing your blood glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I see that @ daisy1 has already been in touch with you and I suggest that you read up on the valuable information that she has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

It seems that you already have a test meter but if not, it is a priority that you get yourself one and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
 
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