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Diet Doctor Low Carb Challenge
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maglil55
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I've watched and read quite a lot of it now. They tell you alcohol is fine so long as you watch their carb count and remember that when on a strict keto diet it will affect you a lot quicker so you won't be able to drink as much. Black Tea, coffee and water obviously ok even with a dash of cream. Alcohol they favour wines and straight spirits. Cinzano seems to vary on MFP - some have the carbs seriously high others at zero. I noticed that there is a Cinzano Extra Dry that is low carb. Do they have nutritional information on the bottle?
I had my Sunday drinks while doing this - Campari and soda and prosecco with soda too. There are carbs but I just allow for them.
Chook
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Brilliant! I'm planning on dry Prosecco, its supposed to be very low carb or gin 'n' tonic (diet lime tonic).
Don't know whats going on with my BG today. FBG was 6.3 then breakfast of 2 scrambled eggs with butter and a small amount of gravadlax - then 2 hours after breakfast it was up to 8.3! Definitely has ti be DP but I'd have thought the breakfast would have stopped it.
Don't know whats going on with my BG today. FBG was 6.3 then breakfast of 2 scrambled eggs with butter and a small amount of gravadlax - then 2 hours after breakfast it was up to 8.3! Definitely has ti be DP but I'd have thought the breakfast would have stopped it.
No carb indication for Cinzano that I could find - and when I started drinking it I looked on the bottle, and exhaustively online.
Mind you, I am hardly a lush with it. My first bottle lasted over 10 weeks, so it is probably more accurate to describe my portion as a dribble, rather than a slosh. And I use the Sodastream Zero lemonade which is sweetened by sucralose and stevia, both of which I seem to tolerate very well.
Thank you ladies.
I shall celebrate this delightful news with a dribble this evening.
Mind you, I am hardly a lush with it. My first bottle lasted over 10 weeks, so it is probably more accurate to describe my portion as a dribble, rather than a slosh. And I use the Sodastream Zero lemonade which is sweetened by sucralose and stevia, both of which I seem to tolerate very well.
Thank you ladies.
I shall celebrate this delightful news with a dribble this evening.
maglil55
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Only thing I have found out is that 2nd item is sugar in the ingredients which is usually an indication of carbs so maybe I am being unkind to the MFP members doubting them. Can't see there being a lot in a dribble though. No sugar mentioned in the Extra Dry (same with Prosecco Chook , extra dry seems good)No carb indication for Cinzano that I could find - and when I started drinking it I looked on the bottle, and exhaustively online.
Mind you, I am hardly a lush with it. My first bottle lasted over 10 weeks, so it is probably more accurate to describe my portion as a dribble, rather than a slosh. And I use the Sodastream Zero lemonade which is sweetened by sucralose and stevia, both of which I seem to tolerate very well.
Thank you ladies.
I shall celebrate this delightful news with a dribble this evening.
maglil55
Expert
I'm still trying to solve this mystery. I got to 9 this morning before it started to reverse . I seem to have to get breakfast into me straight away if I want to stop it rising or rather reverse the trend quicker. Daytime figures are fine it is just this morning issue that is taking time.Brilliant! I'm planning on dry Prosecco, its supposed to be very low carb or gin 'n' tonic (diet lime tonic).
Don't know whats going on with my BG today. FBG was 6.3 then breakfast of 2 scrambled eggs with butter and a small amount of gravadlax - then 2 hours after breakfast it was up to 8.3! Definitely has ti be DP but I'd have thought the breakfast would have stopped it.
Things I have noticed is if I eat a couple of walnuts before I go to bed there is little movement between before sleep BG and fasting BG - either no change or 0.1. A cup of coffee with cream isn't enough to stop the rise - there has to be some kind of food and quickly. I've tried coffee plus walnuts and it still rises.
It goes up about 1 to 1.5 from the fasting level and seems to reach its peak at 90 mins but it depends on what I eat. If I stick to eggs or eggs plus 2 rashers streaky then I peak at 90 mins and am well into the drop at the 2 hour mark. Add a sausage though (97% or a frankfurter) and I peak at 2 hours and it is another 15 to 30 mins past 2 hours that I am well into the fall. I was at the end of week 1 before I got figures that pleased me and then I got that rotten cold. I am also keeping in mind that it took me months of strict control previously to get to grips with morning figures.
Tonight I'm going to try a couple of walnuts just before bed again and see if the result is still the same. Mornings I just have to make time for breakfast but this morning was very icy so defrosting and allowing for icy pavements with a crutch on the school run took priority.
As you'll gather I've been doing some heavy duty testing and I put all the readings into an App so I can see the trends on a graph. One of these days I may solve it
Chook
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I wonder if some people on MFP have given it 'nominal' carbs as alcohol has traditionally been seen as fattening? I vaguely remember it is one of the diet classes that does that with booze and calories or is it points.
By the way - those pink and purple silkie chickens in my picture aren't mine - they are an Australian friend's. They aren't really that colour - they're usually white - and she's tinted them with natural food colouring getting in to practice for Easter I think. I'm sure it can't be doing them any good but they look healthy enough.
By the way - those pink and purple silkie chickens in my picture aren't mine - they are an Australian friend's. They aren't really that colour - they're usually white - and she's tinted them with natural food colouring getting in to practice for Easter I think. I'm sure it can't be doing them any good but they look healthy enough.
Chook
Expert
Its exactly the same as mine. I got up at 7am and had breakfast at 7.10 - but it didn't stop it going up. I'm just glad there's someone else with the same problem.
I suppose we will have to wait for our livers to get rid of their excessive fat / glycogen and then, perhaps, it might get less or stop completely. I remember reading something by Jason Fung that fasting can bring down DP and I might consider that again soon as that small breakfast has left me feeling very full and I just know I can't face burgers, sauce and butter fried cabbage for lunch. Maybe one burger on its own - later.
maglil55
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Snap - I am going back to something low carb and light. They reminded me - eat when you are hungry and if you are full then stop. More good news though. They ask you for your views at the end of week 2 and your suggestions. I added in yours Chook for transferring the shopping list to online shops. This was my full wish list.
1) Build you own weekly meals from the available recipes. I love the planner and the shopping list but I would like the ability to create my own as there are so many wonderful recipes on the site.
2) To help with 1 above the ability to sort the recipes by carb content.
3) If it is easier , the ability to personalise the weekly plans but swapping some of the recipes. I know you can skip a recipe - I'd like to replace it sometimes with something else.
4) More detailed nutritional information to make it easier to input into food trackers like My Fitness Pal
5) The ability to transfer the shopping list direct into online supermarket shopping baskets.
They've replied already to say that all of these suggestions are to be incorporated in the meal planner as they develop it. Do you think we could get away with asking for the delivery guy to unpack it and put it away?
Chook
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Well.... you can try.... especially if the delivery driver looks like Andreas Eenfeldt.
Good list of constructive criticisms and suggestions. I like the idea of subbing some of the recipes and it adjusting the shopping list. I have already been looking at more of their ketogenic recipes and there are some lovely ones which I want to try. I really like the idea of knowing exactly how many carbs I'm eating. I suppose I'm being lazy and could work it out from packet labels if I really had to but it would be lovely if they did it for me.
I am amazed (heavens knows why) that some of the breads are keto. I really enjoyed their foccacia that we tried last week (although it didn't look much like theirs and certainly didn't taste much like any foccacia I've ever had).
Good list of constructive criticisms and suggestions. I like the idea of subbing some of the recipes and it adjusting the shopping list. I have already been looking at more of their ketogenic recipes and there are some lovely ones which I want to try. I really like the idea of knowing exactly how many carbs I'm eating. I suppose I'm being lazy and could work it out from packet labels if I really had to but it would be lovely if they did it for me.
I am amazed (heavens knows why) that some of the breads are keto. I really enjoyed their foccacia that we tried last week (although it didn't look much like theirs and certainly didn't taste much like any foccacia I've ever had).
Chook
Expert
Well, I did try to eat the burgers and managed half of one. The dogs had the other one and a half between . and loved them.
I notice that some of the recipes have got avocado as an ingredient so I think I might have an avocado just cut in half with just a drizzle of balsamic or lime juice for my lunches next week - if I can get any ripe enough. Is that ketogenic enough do you think or would I have to add some kind of fat?
I notice that some of the recipes have got avocado as an ingredient so I think I might have an avocado just cut in half with just a drizzle of balsamic or lime juice for my lunches next week - if I can get any ripe enough. Is that ketogenic enough do you think or would I have to add some kind of fat?
maglil55
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I add a wee bit of Helmanns to my avocado. I think that's why I was 1lb in week 1 - I'd removed too much fat?
Going back to your dawn shenanigins, I found the Libre eyeopening.
Turns out I don't have DP at all.
Instead, I get a low at around 2-2.30am every morning. The exact time depends on when I get to bed.
It dips low enough to trigger a liver dump, which then skips along, like a stone skimming a pond, in the high 5s and low 6s until I wake up. At that point it will start to rise until I eat something (although I am lucky enough that a single brazil nut will stop the rise. Never found a way to stop the 2am drop.
I spent years cursing my DP and blaming it for the fact that my HbA1c was higher than my daytime readings would suggest.
But now, I just curse that 2am dip - it is quite a sharp drop, sometimes into the low 3s - which then kicks my liver into dumping.
Incidentally, I often wake up from a bad dream at this time, so it even affects my dreams and sleep routine.
Turns out I don't have DP at all.
Instead, I get a low at around 2-2.30am every morning. The exact time depends on when I get to bed.
It dips low enough to trigger a liver dump, which then skips along, like a stone skimming a pond, in the high 5s and low 6s until I wake up. At that point it will start to rise until I eat something (although I am lucky enough that a single brazil nut will stop the rise. Never found a way to stop the 2am drop.
I spent years cursing my DP and blaming it for the fact that my HbA1c was higher than my daytime readings would suggest.
But now, I just curse that 2am dip - it is quite a sharp drop, sometimes into the low 3s - which then kicks my liver into dumping.
Incidentally, I often wake up from a bad dream at this time, so it even affects my dreams and sleep routine.
Chook
Expert
A spicy salsa... yes! Egg... nope, definitely not sure about avo and egg.
Chook
Expert
I know I dream but they don't often wake me up. My days of hot flushes are, thankfully, long gone (hysterectomy at 41 and then all the menopause stuff for ten very long years) but what I get now most early mornings is being woken by suddenly feeling very hot anywhere between 3.15am and 6.30. Its different from a hot flush which used to leave me a sweaty rung out heap - nowadays I just need to throw the covers off for a bit then it subsides. Perhaps it could be something to with it?
maglil55
Expert
Mr C will gradually discover it is not a weird eggs and cabbage diet. I am on the salmon tomorrow for dinner although may have to be frozen spinach as the shortage had hit the supermarkets here at the weekend.
Chook
Expert
Asda had spinach but only the baby spinach. I don't remember seeing any in Lidl.
I was surprised Me C ate all his spinach because it's not his favourite veg.
