Dietary Advice Poll

[lucylocket61]

sending love and good wishes, Ladybird64

 

[Unbeliever]

Your post says it all Ladybird. Thhat is reality . Yes the "accused " do serling work with the newly diagnosed. The amount of time they devote to them is amazing..
They are not indoctrinating or force feeding them and not scaring hem either. I have every admiraion for their paience and commitment.
If hey want to discuss something in which they persobnally have an interes as well as just advisinb newbies then why should anyone complain.

even if we don't agree wih hem we can sill learn a great deal fom he discussions.
Obviously your problems have resuled in your having an open mind and appreciating hose who help others.
I am so sorry about your husband. It must be a constant worry . My sister is the same . She has multple healh problems but does not consider diabetes important. When you see what hey are doing o hemselves it can be very upseting.
No point in you shoowing him your pos i suppose?
Best wishes to you and I otally agree wih your comments and undersand wyhy you are upset.
It is always upsetting when well meaning people who ry heir best o help others are casigaed and criticised by others wo only wan o cause trouble and ae just thinking of their own ego.

 

[Klang180]

This forum is an incredible resource with a lot of people with similar life situations giving some very supportive and useful advice.

HOWEVER, i am a little concerned about the anti-carb "agenda" that seems so prevelant and aggresive. Yes i can see how if you are T2 it would help to lower your BS and i fully support that, who am i to challenge it afterall, but i have also seen posts that attribute T2 to genetics only and others who blame carbs pure and simple for their development of T2. I think this is misleading and sends out a very poor message to new members.

Some posters seem to revel in a sort of anti establishment sentiment about being low carb and going against the NHS or traditional advice but for newbs this can be confusing and damaging. I think even the most strict LCers can't seriously be blaming carbs for the condition without thinking about exercise, calories, fat and protein i.e. overall lifestyle.

As a T1 i have to say this low carb agenda quite stiffling. I do think the advice and support i have recieved and read on this forum is astounding but i think the low carb agenda must be curtailed. Yes do tell YOUR story, do put your views across and do offer your advice but please don't campaign for Low Carbing with the aggressiveness of a political campaign, it does the forum no favours.

 

[IanD]

This forum is an incredible resource with a lot of people with similar life situations giving some very supportive and useful advice.

HOWEVER, i am a little concerned about the anti-carb "agenda" that seems so prevelant and aggresive. Yes i can see how if you are T2 it would help to lower your BS and i fully support that, who am i to challenge it afterall, but i have also seen posts that attribute T2 to genetics only and others who blame carbs pure and simple for their development of T2. I think this is misleading and sends out a very poor message to new members.

Some posters seem to revel in a sort of anti establishment sentiment about being low carb and going against the NHS or traditional advice but for newbs this can be confusing and damaging. I think even the most strict LCers can't seriously be blaming carbs for the condition without thinking about exercise, calories, fat and protein i.e. overall lifestyle.

As a T1 i have to say this low carb agenda quite stiffling. I do think the advice and support i have recieved and read on this forum is astounding but i think the low carb agenda must be curtailed. Yes do tell YOUR story, do put your views across and do offer your advice but please don't campaign for Low Carbing with the aggressiveness of a political campaign, it does the forum no favours.

Klang, you are commenting as a T1, & presumably whatever diet & medication you use you have achieved acceptable control. You could of course keep to the non- low carb section of the forum.
[Mod edit: Ian, Klang180 has every right to comment in the Diabetes Discussions board]

You may be concerned about the low carb agenda BUT on diagnosis we were all encouraged to eat a high carb, as promoted by Diabetes UK & the NHS & most dietitians. That diet is known to result in the need for every-increasing medication. I was told by my Dr, on diagnosis that however carefully I followed their advice, diabetes was progressive. I was told ALL the possible complications, including the 15x likelihood of amputation compared with the non-D population, & my PROBABILITY of a heart attack was computed. (25%). I left the surgery in a state of shock that lasted months - I had the disease that would kill me.

I was too scared not to follow the diet advice. It took 7 1/2 years for serious, debilitating complications to set in. Then I found this forum & took the low carb route. In 3 months I was well again.

4 1/2 years on I am still well & active, & free from complications. I wouldn't DARE go back to a high carb DUK/NHS diet.

Yes, I will bang the low carb drum. You will have to look hard to find a T2 whose health has not improved by carb reduction.

People come here for real advice from diabetics who have gained control, not a useless "D is progressive whatever you eat - so enjoy your food." Carbohydrate above a small amount is a poison for diabetics.
[Mod edit: note to readers, unless this claim can be substantiated, this should be regarded as IanD's personal opinion]

 

[AMBrennan]

You could of course keep to the non- low carb section of the forum.

Yes, but it would also require the low-carb advocates to stop coming to the T1 forums and shilling low-carb to T1 diabetics.

I think even the most strict LCers can't seriously be blaming carbs for the condition without thinking about exercise, calories, fat and protein i.e. overall lifestyle.

I can assure you that these people exist - e.g. this is almost exactly what the "paleo" hypothesis claims, and they don't exactly lack supporters on the forum (boro, at least, comes across as a very strong supporter)

That diet is known to result in the need for every-increasing medication.

Maybe. However, you have arbitrarily decided that this is inherently bad - maybe it's you that's not being rational here?

I am not saying that you are wrong, but refusing medication out of hand makes without even looking at the evidence and going on about the evil NHS and Big Pharma (what, exactly, does the NHS have to gain from killing patients?) doesn't do you any favours.

Plus there's the fact is that it's more complicated than "BG up = carbs eaten", which you fail to acknowledge. So worse than an theory-based medicine you're advocating an intervention based on a theory that is know to be, at best, an oversimplification. Where's your evidence?

It took 7 1/2 years for serious, debilitating complications to set in. Then I found this forum & took the low carb route. In 3 months I was well again.

Define "serious, debilitating complications" - blindness? Amputation?

 

[Klang180]

This forum is an incredible resource with a lot of people with similar life situations giving some very supportive and useful advice.

HOWEVER, i am a little concerned about the anti-carb "agenda" that seems so prevelant and aggresive. Yes i can see how if you are T2 it would help to lower your BS and i fully support that, who am i to challenge it afterall, but i have also seen posts that attribute T2 to genetics only and others who blame carbs pure and simple for their development of T2. I think this is misleading and sends out a very poor message to new members.

Some posters seem to revel in a sort of anti establishment sentiment about being low carb and going against the NHS or traditional advice but for newbs this can be confusing and damaging. I think even the most strict LCers can't seriously be blaming carbs for the condition without thinking about exercise, calories, fat and protein i.e. overall lifestyle.

As a T1 i have to say this low carb agenda quite stiffling. I do think the advice and support i have recieved and read on this forum is astounding but i think the low carb agenda must be curtailed. Yes do tell YOUR story, do put your views across and do offer your advice but please don't campaign for Low Carbing with the aggressiveness of a political campaign, it does the forum no favours.

Klang, you are commenting as a T1, & presumably whatever diet & medication you use you have achieved acceptable control. You could of course keep to the non- low carb section of the forum.

You may be concerned about the low carb agenda BUT on diagnosis we were all encouraged to eat a high carb, as promoted by Diabetes UK & the NHS & most dietitians. That diet is known to result in the need for every-increasing medication. I was told by my Dr, on diagnosis that however carefully I followed their advice, diabetes was progressive. I was told ALL the possible complications, including the 15x likelihood of amputation compared with the non-D population, & my PROBABILITY of a heart attack was computed. (25%). I left the surgery in a state of shock that lasted months - I had the disease that would kill me.

I was too scared not to follow the diet advice. It took 7 1/2 years for serious, debilitating complications to set in. Then I found this forum & took the low carb route. In 3 months I was well again.

4 1/2 years on I am still well & active, & free from complications. I wouldn't DARE go back to a high carb DUK/NHS diet.

Yes, I will bang the low carb drum. You will have to look hard to find a T2 whose health has not improved by carb reduction.

People come here for real advice from diabetics who have gained control, not a useless "D is progressive whatever you eat - so enjoy your food." Carbohydrate above a small amount is a poison for diabetics.

Ian, thanks for your candid reply which is very enlightening. I did not know about the failure of the health professionals and it sounds very disspiriting and not at all motivational. In that context i can see why your advice about LCing can be welcome. I would probably do the same in your position. It sounds like the professionals involved in T2 management can be every bit as bad as some of those in T1 who also scare you to death with stories of what can and WILL happen. I have been told that complications are a certainty and the onset of these can only be postponed, with advice like that where is the will to change.

I do think that in the face of such advice a LC diet that appears to work of course is a much better alternative and i fully support your decision to go your own way and find a solution. My issue i guess comes from the feeling that every other way of managing diabetes is inferior to LC, when in fact i don't think this is true at all. In any case there is more than one way to skin a cat and LC does not have to mean high fat and high protein as well, this message doesn't seem to be getting across however.

I have my own take on diet backed up by what i think is really sound science but after an initial energy to share this i was bitten back by the LCers who failed to see that my message was predominently for T1s and was perhaps just as valid as their opinion.

So in sum, i don't have a problem with LCers talking about their experiences when it is solicited but perhaps it could be kept to the appropriate posts and forums and could be a little more constructive at times, that is all.

Thanks again for sharing your experience.

 

[Giverny]

I don't really think this discussion is going anywhere, and hasn't been since it started. Locked!