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Dietician course from GP referral

a484syy

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Type of diabetes
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Hello, I have just started an educational course offered by my GP. The initial dietary advice to me seems counter intuitive. Before the course I had cut out a lot of bread, cereals, potatoes and noodles. The suggested meals coming out of the course seem to suggest add a lot of carbs that I would not have eaten prior to being diagnosed such as 6 new potatoes a to one sitting. I am trying to loose weight and am worried that the meals suggested have added a lot of carbs as in the Eatwell advice for bread pasta and potatoes. Has anyone gone through one of these courses and had results from the advice?

PS sorry for the typo in the thread title. I can't seem to edit it.
 
Welcome to the forum. Tagging @daisy1 for the welcome pack.

I am assuming that you are T2. If you have a look around the forum you will see that a lot of us follow low carb high/healthy fat or in my case keto. We avoid the eatwell plate like the plague. Your instincts are correct.

Read around the forum and ask lots of questions. We use LCHF to control our blood glucose numbers, weight loss is a by product.
 
Hello, I have just started an educational course offered by my GP. The initial dietary advice to me seems counter intuitive. Before the course I had cut out a lot of bread, cereals, potatoes and noodles. The suggested meals coming out of the course seem to suggest add a lot of carbs that I would not have eaten prior to being diagnosed such as 6 new potatoes a to one sitting. I am trying to loose weight and am worried that the meals suggested have added a lot of carbs as in the Eatwell advice for bread pasta and potatoes. Has anyone gone through one of these courses and had results from the advice?

PS sorry for the typo in the thread title. I can't seem to edit it.

Hi and welcome.

I was given a photocopied sheet of A4 telling me to eat 9 portions of brown carbs a day.
I binned it immediately.
That is 4 times the amount of carbs I had ever eaten, and I had already worked out that my body simply doesn't tolerate carbs.

I would be the size of a house and equally immobile if I had followed that advice. So glad I didn't.

(and don't worrit about the typo. I can change it for you :) )
 
Hello, I have just started an educational course offered by my GP. The initial dietary advice to me seems counter intuitive. Before the course I had cut out a lot of bread, cereals, potatoes and noodles. The suggested meals coming out of the course seem to suggest add a lot of carbs that I would not have eaten prior to being diagnosed such as 6 new potatoes a to one sitting. I am trying to loose weight and am worried that the meals suggested have added a lot of carbs as in the Eatwell advice for bread pasta and potatoes. Has anyone gone through one of these courses and had results from the advice?

PS sorry for the typo in the thread title. I can't seem to edit it.
welcome : )

what type of diabetes do you have, and are you on any meds? if you could fill in those fields on your profile, it would be helpful to us so we can tailor our replies to your needs.

would you mind sharing what course you have been offered please?
 
Hello, I have just started an educational course offered by my GP. The initial dietary advice to me seems counter intuitive. Before the course I had cut out a lot of bread, cereals, potatoes and noodles. The suggested meals coming out of the course seem to suggest add a lot of carbs that I would not have eaten prior to being diagnosed such as 6 new potatoes a to one sitting. I am trying to loose weight and am worried that the meals suggested have added a lot of carbs as in the Eatwell advice for bread pasta and potatoes. Has anyone gone through one of these courses and had results from the advice?

PS sorry for the typo in the thread title. I can't seem to edit it.

I have been signed up for the same course by my GP as I have been diagnosed as prediabetic - T2 - HbA1c 42 April 2019. I shll look forward to hearing their advice,
I am about 1/2 stone overweight but do a lot of walking and I wouldn't say I am unhealthy as we cooked from scratch mostly. My concern at the moment is trying to work out my blood sugar levels and when I should be, as I have been asked to do some testing.
A few minutes ago I tested myself having eaten a very healthy chocolate crossaint (no judging please) and my levels are 5.4 - I would have thought it should have been higher..........any gems of information would be much appreciated.
 
I have been signed up for the same course by my GP as I have been diagnosed as prediabetic - T2 - HbA1c 42 April 2019. I shll look forward to hearing their advice,
I am about 1/2 stone overweight but do a lot of walking and I wouldn't say I am unhealthy as we cooked from scratch mostly. My concern at the moment is trying to work out my blood sugar levels and when I should be, as I have been asked to do some testing.
A few minutes ago I tested myself having eaten a very healthy chocolate crossaint (no judging please) and my levels are 5.4 - I would have thought it should have been higher..........any gems of information would be much appreciated.
see what your level is like after an hour, then 2 hours. Food has to have time to be digested and get into your blood stream.

Its great that you are testing, did your GP let you have a meter and strips?
 
A t2 friend was told to eat 60-80 grams carbs with each meal,and more than 200g daily.So he struggled to get his carbs up to that level and all it did was gain weight and increase his glucose numbers,and he felt horrible.I pointed him to LCHF,where he was already leaning.

Now he is in remission with both BG and A1c levels in the normal person non diabetic range.
He tweaked it with some potatoes as his carb and its working well for him.He is a market farmer so good activity level.

Anyone promoting high carb for the average person t2 should lose professional licensing credentials,thats death advice IMO.
 
A few minutes ago I tested myself having eaten a very healthy chocolate crossaint (no judging please) and my levels are 5.4 - I would have thought it should have been higher..........any gems of information would be much appreciated.
Pre diabetes is the time to get into the healthy eating patterns before diabetes sets in.I would skip those high sugar comfort things,its not good for the lifestyle you should be turning to.Consistency is what I would be aiming for.

A test food is OK,thinking you can buck the system is not a good idea.

Cheating is not a good lifestyle choice in any circumstance is my take in all aspects of life.The outcome is almost always negative.
 
Pre diabetes is the time to get into the healthy eating patterns before diabetes sets in.I would skip those high sugar comfort things,its not good for the lifestyle you should be turning to.Consistency is what I would be aiming for.

A test food is OK,thinking you can buck the system is not a good idea.

Cheating is not a good lifestyle choice in any circumstance is my take in all aspects of life.The outcome is almost always negative.

Thanks for the comment, I always say a little of everything nice is not harmful, its when it gets to be a habit you can't kick, then you need to worry.
Any help regarding the glucose level being low despite eating a high sugar content food would helpful :-)
 
Hello, I have just started an educational course offered by my GP. The initial dietary advice to me seems counter intuitive. Before the course I had cut out a lot of bread, cereals, potatoes and noodles. The suggested meals coming out of the course seem to suggest add a lot of carbs that I would not have eaten prior to being diagnosed such as 6 new potatoes a to one sitting. I am trying to loose weight and am worried that the meals suggested have added a lot of carbs as in the Eatwell advice for bread pasta and potatoes. Has anyone gone through one of these courses and had results from the advice?

PS sorry for the typo in the thread title. I can't seem to edit it.
No courses in the Netherlands, but I've seen my share of dieticians. I saw one when I was obese and wanted help with that, and on her high carb, low fat advice I got morbidly obese, the carb content pushing me into T2. So when I saw her again after my diagnosis, a couple of years later, I pretty much had already figured the low carb thing out, and was losing weight and controlling my bloodsugars (When I was diagnosed everyone was on vacation and there were waitinglists, so I had time to study). Another dietician perscribed grapefruit with my -then- meds, which grapefruits shouldn't be taken with. So not even looking at the carb/fructose content there, I jokingly asked whether she was trying to kill me.

I'll stick with what works for me, thanks.

You stick with what works for you. Your meter (and the scales) will tell you.
Jo
 
@a484syy
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it both interesting and helpful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 600,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thanks for the comment, I always say a little of everything nice is not harmful, its when it gets to be a habit you can't kick, then you need to worry.
Any help regarding the glucose level being low despite eating a high sugar content food would helpful :)
A few people have noticed that fat and carb combined (chocolate croissant) for example may reduce the absolute level of a blood sugar spike but extend the time they are elevated.
You'll need a lot more testing data before you start seeing patterns and with your HbA1c of 42 mmol/m you are in the very early stages of pre diabetes. Range 42-47. So with some moderate dietary modifications you could well find your metabolism can put itself into remission without the full on carb limitation that others of us have to implement.
Keep testing immediately before and then 2 hours after foods to see the full impact.
 
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