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Do we just live too long?

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AM1874 said:
Wow .. what a question
I was 69 when I was diagnosed .. so by your thinking, I would have missed out on 29 years of my life and not been blessed by over half of my married life, the birth of my youngest daughter and my ten grandchildren, not to mention all the wonderful joys, adventures and pleasures of being happy and (generally) healthy since 1988 when, according to your thinking, I should have "ceased to be" ..
PS: I can't work out whether this serious, tongue in cheek or provocative .. whatever, for me, it's a daft question
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Maybe that bout of Flu would have killed you off if it wasn't for medical science?

Another way of looking at is just think of all the worlds recources you have consumed over your lifetime?
How many cars have you owned? All that pollution you've caused.
 
I would have been gone at 12 with a burst appendix.

The way I'm reading this thread it is quite light hearted - not serious - just 'chat' like you do with mates (or, at least with my mates). So please don't get upset about it. *hug* :)

Another way of looking at it is how wonderful medical science is that we are all living longer and enjoying life. x
 
frankbegbie said:
It would solve a lot of problems if we all died before 40.

No type 2 diabetes, no pension timebomb, plenty of jobs for the young ones, no need for more and more houses and roads for cars.

Win win as far as I can see.
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Oh dear!Some problems would also be created.What about all the grandparents who happily give childcare every day? My own grandparents died before I was born in 1938, so I always felt I missed out.My mother lived to 88 and was a source of encouragement for all her grandchildren and was adored by them.As she had lived much of her life without the NHS she never took it for granted neither did she abuse it as many do today.....................I was diagnosed in 2001,had I popped my clogs at 40 I would have left a young family of three virtually orphaned,far more problems created than my D2.
 
zand said:
I'm finding this thread to be quite upsetting. According to the OP I should have died in childbirth aged 29 (when I had a placental abruption at 30 weeks). Spare a thought for those of us who suffer from depression already. Oh yeh, you have, we're all useless and a drain on society. Bye then.
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I have depression and anxiety but if it wasn't for medical intervention I probably would have killed myself years ago.
We are living totally against Nature as things are. Most children in the world survives birth when in nature it would be a lot lower .
Its cruel but thats because we have falsly got used to the idea that babies are all born healthy and live till they are 70 years old at least.
 
frankbegbie said:
I have depression and anxiety but if it wasn't for medical intervention I probably would have killed myself years ago.
We are living totally against Nature as things are. Most children in the world survives birth when in nature it would be a lot lower .
Its cruel but thats because we have falsly got used to the idea that babies are all born healthy and live till they are 70 years old at least.
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Nature has supplied many of the drugs we use to treat disease. You could equally say that eating is against Nature as if we just sat there we'd all die, which must be what Nature wants.

Some diseases are especially prevalent in the young - what about those diseases? Do they not count?

This all sounds a bit Logan's Run.

Old people aren't a burden - they're part of the spectrum of human life, and have things to offer society.

Many cultures rever older people:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/what-other-cultures-can-teach_n_4834228.html


If you're feeling particularly down today, please do speak to someone.

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frankbegbie said:
It would solve a lot of problems if we all died before 40.

No type 2 diabetes, no pension timebomb, plenty of jobs for the young ones, no need for more and more houses and roads for cars.

Win win as far as I can see.
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... and if we all died before 40, our mortgages would pass to our children, many of whom would not be able to service the loan given they'd still be in school. The loss of wisdom would be crippling, the passage of knowledge largely dead and a decaying society.

YOU have been watching "Soylent Green" once too often or believe anything a green candidate hands out at the polling booth. Truly weird does not get close to the simplicity and lack of thought in that post.
 
frankbegbie said:
Maybe that bout of Flu would have killed you off if it wasn't for medical science?

Another way of looking at is just think of all the worlds recources you have consumed over your lifetime?
How many cars have you owned? All that pollution you've caused.
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Or all the people you've made miserable?

Incidentally, all that medical science is done - for the most part - by people in their 40's, because until then they're training, learning, practising, specialising.

I'm also super-enjoying the implication that us girls return to being nothing more than baby-machines, churning out and raising the next-gen before we pop our clogs at 40.

There's a reason people don't think Logan's Run is a groovy utopian tale.
 
I think us golden oldies have more to offer than paying our mortgage - we have wisdom through experience acquired over many years that young people don't. I also think we are more likely to listen and consider rather than jump to conclusions on flimsy evidence.

On a lighter note... does anyone remember a book and film called 'Wild in the Streets (around mid-late 60s) - the plot summary was the US was taken over by a bunch of teens/early 20s. Those over 30 were retired, voting age lowered to mid teens, those over 35 were rounded up, taken to camps and force fed LSD. I was only an early teen when I read the book and saw the film. The one thing that has stayed with me over the years was the ending - with the early twenty something President is asked by a young girl how old he is and he says '24' and the little girl says quite nastily 'thats old' and the end of the film is a kid saying 'we're going to put everyone over 10 out of business'. I remember being thinking, OMG that would be me gone then.
 
Oh!! Thank you - a complete blast from the past.
 
Is this a dark thread a funny one or just a controversial one or is it all three or neither?

Tony
 
I think dark, but a lot of us are trying to turn our torches on.

Get some popcorn - Chook's movie is pretty good!
 
@ sockfiddler Temptation, temptation - but forget the popcorn (I'm on the Newcastle Diet at the moment - maybe a few cucumber slices instead....) :(
 
Chook said:
@ sockfiddler Temptation, temptation - but forget the popcorn (I'm on the Newcastle Diet at the moment - maybe a few cucumber slices instead....) :(
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Oh, sorry! I may have stripped carbs from my diet, but they're still firmly embedded in my language! Apologies - didn't mean to be, you know... awful.

Cucumber and a cool glass of... something low-cal? <3
 
It's actually ageist, miserable, depressing, anti-social, provocative, ill-considered and offensive to anyone aged over 40. There is no ignore button so maybe it's time for one of the Mods to zap it
 
Chook said:
I would have been gone at 12 with a burst appendix.
The way I'm reading this thread it is quite light hearted - not serious - just 'chat' like you do with mates (or, at least with my mates). So please don't get upset about it. *hug* :)
Another way of looking at it is how wonderful medical science is that we are all living longer and enjoying life. x
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Hi @Chook ..
I agree .. but I'm not sure how light-hearted the OP was in generating the thread question in the first place
 
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