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Type 2 Do you think it's possible to "wake the pancreas up"

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As mentioned on last night's itv programme, do you really think this is possible for type 2s as this implies reduced insulin resistance?
 
hope so

but not in all cases... if the pancreas is too damaged maybe it can not be repaired again... but in the future I think hospitals will grow stemcells with pancreas tissiu and transplant that tissiu into diabtics organs close to or on parcreas and we´ll be cured as well... and they´ll produce a hormon we can take that makes us able to use our fats more easily and get rid of the damaging overweight. that is in most type 2 diabetics..
 
I have put mine to sleep!

So I really wouldn't want to wake it up!

Sorry!
 
Lavender100 said:
As mentioned on last night's itv programme, do you really think this is possible for type 2s as this implies reduced insulin resistance?
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I haven't watched the programme yet but part of the reason for doing the LCHF diet is to try to get rid of visceral fat around the liver and pancreas. This is allegedly also sped up by fasting. If that is what they mean by waking up your pancreas then yes it seems to be possible. Another way of doing this is again allegedly the Newcastle diet.
 
Possibly not if our pancreas is too badly damaged - but we can do our damnedest to make life easier for it anyway by improving and controlling our diet and losing weight if necessary. I haven't watched the program so don't know what was suggested in this respect.

Robbity
 
As a T2 who has never taken any medication, I know from personal experience that my "performance" in dealing with carbs has improved significantly over time. Sure, in that time, I modified my diet and reduced the number of carbs I routinely eat, and trimmed up, to now be very slim.

These days, when I say I can cope with eating carbs much better than soon after my diagnosis, I mean that my numbers don't spike much and drop back swiftly. I can have no absolute idea why that is, but I do support thinking suggesting that if the pancreas has less stress coping with carbs, for a period at least, it has a greater chance of recovering to a more normalised functionality - if it ever lost it. It could also just be that during the trimming up process, my insulin resistance improved.

So, I think what I'm saying is that without a raft of before, during and after blood tests and probably scans, which I doubt many UK Docs would agree to sponsor, it's nigh-on impossible to say exactly what part or parts of a given individual's body is working better or letting them down at the outset. It's rather early days in the deep understanding of these things.
 
It may be possible to wake your pancreas up but raising it from the dead is another matter entirely that may require divine intervention I think.
 
Lavender100 said:
As mentioned on last night's itv programme, do you really think this is possible for type 2s as this implies reduced insulin resistance?
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Professor Roy Taylor surely belives so. Here is a lecture of him summarizing his newest research.


I have read most of his papers and if there is one thing I stress as the biggest takeaway it is this:The weightloss needed for the pancreas to awaken again is very different, in different individuals. Somebody may have to get to a bmi of 19 in order for it to work again, others may be fine at 25. Its very individual, alas.
 
Do you think that it can be done if you're slim? my bmi is just about healthy - I'm nearing underweight. I don't want to be a really unhealthy weight but if it "fixed" my diabetes I would consider it. I suppose i would just have to consider how I'd put the weight back on then to get in healthy weight range. I've cut down on carbs and general portions significantly and constantly feel starving. breastfeeding doesn't help!
 
Healthy bmi is in the range from 18.5 to 24.9.

For me, this gives me a range of 23 kgs inside this definition, I think that is quite a lot! And those 23 kgs could be pure muscle, or pure fat or a mixture, and both those extremes would have an effect of your diabetes if one has the genes for it.

Look at these links. Its a about a guy with a healthy bmi that got diabetes, and he went down very drastically in order to reverse his diabetes. Do read the whole thing, it should be very pertient for your case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...etes-just-11-days--going-starvation-diet.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ggered-condition-managed-REVERSE-11-DAYS.html

His personal website with all the linksa bout his story.

http://www.reversingtype2diabetes.com/
 
Lavender100 said:
Do you think that it can be done if you're slim? my bmi is just about healthy - I'm nearing underweight. I don't want to be a really unhealthy weight but if it "fixed" my diabetes I would consider it. I suppose i would just have to consider how I'd put the weight back on then to get in healthy weight range. I've cut down on carbs and general portions significantly and constantly feel starving. breastfeeding doesn't help!
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@Lavender100 You say you've had a Type 1 diagnosis. I know you're concerned about that but I think it would be best to wait for further tests so you know what exactly you're dealing with.

You're also breastfeeding so it would be unwise to alter your diet without specialist advice. Cutting carbs could adversely affect your milk supply.
 
azure said:
You say you've had a Type 1 diagnosis. I know you're concerned about that but I think it would be best to wait for further tests so you know what exactly you're dealing with.

You're also breastfeeding so it would be unwise to alter your diet without specialist advice.
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Sorry, I had not read enough, the aboive poster is right, this only applies for type 2, if you have type 1 or some other type of diabetes this does not apply.
 
Certainly Mosley in his Blood sugar diet does not recommend starting a VLCD if your starting BMI is <21
 
So far, Prof. Taylor's work is showing that for the majority of subjects in his studies are finding that their pancreases 'wake up'.

But it is worth remembering that people are selected for these studies. The selection process involves choosing people with appropriate medical histories (presumably not too many extra co-morbidities, age, medication, length of T2, and probably others).

Many of the readers of this forum probably wouldn't have made it through that selection process. I know i wouldn't!

Plus, whenever I see/read Professor Taylor's presentations, I notice he refers to the 'non-responders'. These are the ones who don't respond to his regime. He never goes into detail about them in the sources I have seen. If anyone has seen such info, i would love to know more (common features between them - that kind of thing).
 
Brunneria said:
So far, Prof. Taylor's work is showing that for the majority of subjects in his studies are finding that their pancreases 'wake up'.

But it is worth remembering that people are selected for these studies. The selection process involves choosing people with appropriate medical histories (presumably not too many extra co-morbidities, age, medication, length of T2, and probably others).

Many of the readers of this forum probably wouldn't have made it through that selection process. I know i wouldn't!

Plus, whenever I see/read Professor Taylor's presentations, I notice he refers to the 'non-responders'. These are the ones who don't respond to his regime. He never goes into detail about them in the sources I have seen. If anyone has seen such info, i would love to know more (common features between them - that kind of thing).
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Yes , Roy Taylor has nonresponders, and there is screening, and for some people this diet will not help. But for the overwhelming majority of plain vanilla type 2 diabetes this will help, it is a lot better than always being told this is lifelong and you can do nothing about it.

Also Roy Taylor has just 8 weeks with this diet. Even if somebody fasted for 8 weeks straight it might not be enough if they have lots of weight to begin.

Example this gentlemen was diagnosed with type 2 at 38, and he went on loads of medications including insulin. Having head about Roy Taylor he, went on the diet, and six months later, he was of all medications, and this at the tender age of 69.

So 31 years of diabetes type 2 was not uncurable in his case.

If everybody got 6 months to lose weight , not 2, I would think that you saw an substantial increase in reversals.
 
Lavender100 said:
Do you think that it can be done if you're slim? my bmi is just about healthy - I'm nearing underweight. I don't want to be a really unhealthy weight but if it "fixed" my diabetes I would consider it. I suppose i would just have to consider how I'd put the weight back on then to get in healthy weight range. I've cut down on carbs and general portions significantly and constantly feel starving. breastfeeding doesn't help!
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here is a very thin man who reversed his diabetes ; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...etes-just-11-days--going-starvation-diet.html
 
My BMI dropped from 27 to 22, but I am still hard core T2D. Yes my BG is much lower, but that is probably down to what I put in my mouth , not how much, and I still spike after eating
 
azure said:
@Freema The OP is breastfeeding so shouldn't be changing her diet. Breastfeeding requires around 700 extra calories a day.

Also, the OP has told us she's been diagnosed with Type 1.
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you are totally right in that sorry :oops: she should at least wait untill she is no longer breastfeeding...
 
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