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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celsus" data-source="post: 1591525" data-attributes="member: 185674">Sorry [USER=219467]@bulkbiker[/USER], then I lost you again going out on a tangent?   We were not discussing if one diet or the other needed more insulin or not??  Of course I agree that the carb richer diet needs more insulin.    We agreed on that the calorie restricted diet cause the metabolism to slow down.  You then carry on to say the carb-restricted but normal calorie level diet boosted the metabolism in comparison.  I agree to that. I simply highlighted that both low carb-high fat with normal calorie level diet as well as the low fat-high carb but normal calorie diet actually do have the same level of metabolistic burn rates, when cross tested in across same test population.  Both when its 'normal' weight individuals as well as with 'overweight' individuals trying out the two diet options and both getting the same level of total calories in the two scenarios.  The fun thing to observe is that also when indulging in a diet with too many calories, e.g. 50% above normal for a test person status-quo, then both diets again actually show the same level of weight gain over time for each person trying it out in a controlled environment.  Please notice here, I am not judging if one diet type is easier to comply with or the other or if one is easier to control with your insulin vs the other.  And this is here where I totally get some find it easier to e.g. loose weight or manage their diabetes when on the low carb diet versus various alternatives.</blockquote>

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