Margarettt
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- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Diet only
To be honest I don’t think you really need to know the science if it’s not your bag - it isn’t mine either, what you are becoming an expert in is YOU! I think in the simplest of terms all you really need to know is what a food does to your BG and if your personally happy with the result - having knowledge in that is the power you don’t always need to know the mechanism.My diagnosis is almost exactly six months old today and I still don't really know what's going on. It strikes me that I don't really know what diabetes is or what has happened and is happening in my body. I love my keto diet but really don't know how it works or what ketones are. I'm pleased that the numbers on my meter are coming down but to be honest I don't actually know what I am measuring or what they represent. I go back and read old posts to try and learn but get all caught up in terms like visceral fat or synthesising glucose and just end up in a muddle. I know that I'm not stupid just a bit ignorant. I failed biology at school and dropped chemistry so all the science is a bit scary.
If you want to talk about pre-raphaelite symbolism I'm your girl but has anyone got a link that makes diabetes easy to understand?
Pre-raphaelite symbolism is much more interesting.My diagnosis is almost exactly six months old today and I still don't really know what's going on. It strikes me that I don't really know what diabetes is or what has happened and is happening in my body. I love my keto diet but really don't know how it works or what ketones are. I'm pleased that the numbers on my meter are coming down but to be honest I don't actually know what I am measuring or what they represent. I go back and read old posts to try and learn but get all caught up in terms like visceral fat or synthesising glucose and just end up in a muddle. I know that I'm not stupid just a bit ignorant. I failed biology at school and dropped chemistry so all the science is a bit scary.
If you want to talk about pre-raphaelite symbolism I'm your girl but has anyone got a link that makes diabetes easy to understand?
Well, dang, I read your first line and saw the lengthy post, and was fully prepared for a treaty on Pre-raphaelite symbolism!Pre-raphaelite symbolism is much more interesting.
I agree, it's not necessary. But we still may want to know more!To be honest I don’t think you really need to know the science if it’s not your bag
I don't really know what diabetes is
what has happened and is happening in my body.
I love my keto diet but really don't know how it works or what ketones are.
Four different questions, none of them with straight forward answers.I'm pleased that the numbers on my meter are coming down but to be honest I don't actually know what I am measuring or what they represent.
If you want to talk about pre-raphaelite symbolism I'm your girl
I thought it mainly was to do with having the hots for Lizzy Siddal, (model, muse, artist/poet, tragic figure), but if there's more to the red thing, I'd love to hear it!What was all the red hair about when red hair is pretty uncommon, has to be symbolism right?
Think you are covered for explanations about diabetes on here so I wont add anything even if I could.
Wish I could explain it in art terms, which might make it easier to digest but its beyond me too
I always just figure it this way: I can't effectively use carbs/glucose to burn for energy. Plenty of insulin floating around to help get it into my cells, but I'm insensitive to it, so that doesn't work. If I don't burn sugars, they end up either stored as fats, or just doing damage everywhere in my organs, floating around in tears, pee and whatnot.My diagnosis is almost exactly six months old today and I still don't really know what's going on. It strikes me that I don't really know what diabetes is or what has happened and is happening in my body. I love my keto diet but really don't know how it works or what ketones are. I'm pleased that the numbers on my meter are coming down but to be honest I don't actually know what I am measuring or what they represent. I go back and read old posts to try and learn but get all caught up in terms like visceral fat or synthesising glucose and just end up in a muddle. I know that I'm not stupid just a bit ignorant. I failed biology at school and dropped chemistry so all the science is a bit scary.
If you want to talk about pre-raphaelite symbolism I'm your girl but has anyone got a link that makes diabetes easy to understand?
@lovinglife as ever thank you. There is an element of "I should know" and your response gives me permission not to. Equally I still crave a basic understanding.To be honest I don’t think you really need to know the science if it’s not your bag
Yes. My family of men find it entertaining that I don't know how to open the bonnet or what all the wee lights on the dashboard mean.see where I’m going with this
Thank you @mouseee Really. really straightforward and helpful (bookmarked for thinking about)like to think of it that our bodies can't process glucose. The glucose wants to get into cells to be used for energy, insulin makes that happen. If our bodies can't use the insulin we make (most T2s still make it) then the glucose can't be used and instead floats around our blood making the the blood sugar go high. Eventually the extra glucose gets stored as fat.
Low carb works because we are reducing the amount of potential glucose needing to be processed. That means less glucose floating round unable to be used and lower bg.
If you take metformin, it acts to help the glucose get into the cells and be used.
This is not a scientific way of describing it, but I think that's how it works! If I'm way off, someone will correct me!
See thats exactly what I mean. I have no idea how to decipher this sort of stuff but this.....However they also list genetics, impaired beta cell function, the thrifty phenotype syndrome, hormones and cytokines, inflammation, and metabolic syndrome
...makes it all okay. Thank you @KennyA that helps more than you know.So don't worry that you don't know exactly what T2 is and is caused by. The docs don't know either. But everybody knows what the symptoms are.
was unexpected and made me laugh out loud and make my husband look over my shoulder.Is that any use, or are we back to Burne-Jones?
@Antje77 When you say things like this it helps me breathe. That sounds dramatic I just mean it helps me think okay you dont have to understand all of this now, today, Thank youFour different questions, none of them with straight forward answers.
As ever thanks @Paul_ I nearly understand what you are telling me and have bookmarked this to come back to. Thank you for taking the time.At the start, I obsessively read everything I could on the topics of diabetes and keto. It was a bit exhausting to be honest. I found I increasingly turned to this forum, rather than other resources, because it deals very well with the practicalities of managing T2 rather than endless speculation and opinions as to what causes T2. The low carb and keto advice here is also very practical/sustainable, as opposed to some of the barking mad keto cult stuff you get out on the wider internet. Anyway, I reached my limit when it came to research and trying to answer the questions you've posed, and I've settled on the following:
1) My cells are resistant to insulin and don't absorb it efficiently. Therefore, the glucose being carried by that insulin remains in my bloodstream longer. With more carbs, comes more glucose produced from digesting them. More glucose means more insulin, which as said previously, can't be absorbed efficiently by my cells, so more of it sits there in my blood. A fingerprick test shows how much glucose is sitting in your blood at that precise moment. The longer my red blood cells spend splashing around in that glucose, the more they absorb, and the hba1c shows an average of how much glucose your red blood cells have absorbed over the past 3 months (ish). By eating lower carb, it reduces every one of the previously mentioned factors, but it specifically reduces the amount of insulin my cells need to absorb, reduces the amount of time my red blood cells spend splashing around in the glucose that insulin carries, and therefore my fingerprick test results are lower and my hba1c is lower.
2) Keto is a multi-purpose tool. It pushes carb intake very low and therefore allows better management of all the previously mentioned factors above, e.g. insulin response, glucose. In the context of T2, pushing carb intake very low results in very low glucose levels when digesting food (leaving just the other million or so factors that can influence BG levels to contend with). For me, keto also reduces appetite significantly and reduces food cravings, which has enabled me to lose a significant amount of weigh, so it's not all just about T2 management for me. Keto works by switching your body's primary energy source from carbs to fat, or more specifically from glucose (produced when carbs are digested) to ketones (produced when fat is processed in the liver). Ketones can then be used by tissues and organs for energy, in the absence of glucose. And how does your body switch between glucose and ketones for energy, I hear you ask? I don't really know, but I'd venture "the magic of evolution for an omnivorous species, who did their evolving in a world without supermarkets and fast food joints".
@ravensmitten You have no idea how this throw away line made me feel. "ha...I know this" puffed up pride. I have no idea if you were just being funny but red hair was rare and a bit scarey so came to symbolise angels and demons and then just mystical magical stuff. The preraphaelites used it to make the work edgey compounded by the fact that( as @JoKalsbeek said in another post) Lizzy Siddel was a red headed model and muse they used a lot,What was all the red hair about when red hair is pretty uncommon, has to be symbolism right?
Thank you @HairySmurf . Absolutely now on my listI do recommend these two books:
'Life Without Diabetes' by Prof. Roy Taylor
'How to Reverse Type 2 Diabetes and Prediabetes' by Dr. David Cavan
On the off chance you are being serious I think it comes from thisI thought it mainly was to do with having the hots for Lizzy Siddal, (model, muse, artist/poet, tragic figure), but if there's more to the red thing, I'd love to hear it!
Oh @JoKalsbeek as ever you understood the assignment, This is really helpful Thank you. Sharp sugar sanding I can understand!I always just figure it this way: I can't effectively use carbs/glucose to burn for energy. Plenty of insulin floating around to help get it into my cells, but I'm insensitive to it, so that doesn't work. If I don't burn sugars, they end up either stored as fats, or just doing damage everywhere in my organs, floating around in tears, pee and whatnot.
When I eat very low carb, my body needs something to burn that's not glucose, and that's usually fats. When fats are used for fuel, they turn into ketones. I run on ketones. Yay, ketones.
The numbers on your meter tell you whether your blood sugars are high, low or just right. If they're just right, you're all good, if they're high, sugars are doing damage to your insides, which you don't want. (Imagine the sugar in a bowl running through your veins, and how the crystals have sharp angles and edges. You don't want that sanding away inside your organs, eyes, veins. Not exactly what happens mind you, but close enough, and a decent visual.) If you check around meals and keep to a certain standard (being having less than 2.0 mmol/l of a rise two hours after eating), then your body could process everything you put in it, and it also means your over all blood sugars are coming down, so your HbA1c improves.
I was serious, actually! (I mean, I read Siddals biography, especially fascinating reading right after seeing a pre-raphaelite exposition in Amsterdam 20-odd years ago!)On the off chance you are being serious I think it comes from this
Throughout history, red hair has been associated with evil; vampires, witches and outsiders were traditionally always portrayed with red hair. There are numerous reasons for this, one being that actually having red hair is incredibly rare (less than 2%, remember?), and society is generally suspicious about anything ‘different’, particularly when it is so very noticeable and eye-catching. Some scholars also trace this fear/dislike of red hair back to the belief that Judas, who betrayed Jesus in the Bible, had red hair. Culturally, anyone with red hair has often been assumed to have a hot temper and tempestuous personality.
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