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Doh.....Dairy intolerant, advise needed folks

Dazzy_D

Dazzy_D

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Hi All,

I have been following the LCHF diet with great results....lost nearly 2 stone and BG well controlled.
Here's the HOWEVER........
Yesterday I went for allergy testing as my eyes have been streaming recently and after a good 2 hours testing various food types, animal hair, dust, grass etc......turns out I am dairy intolerant !! Disaster !! I have increased dairy across my diet hugely as part of the LCHF diet and I guess some major 'tweaks' are now required.....bah !!
Can anyone offer up any advise for a frustrated Type 2 who was really enjoying his cheese, cream and latte's ?
Would love to hear from anyone in this same position
Thanks
Daryl
 
Hey @Dazzy_D Great news on your weight loss and well controlled levels.

In some respects it's great to know this as you can then do something about it, but I hear your pain too with changing your diet. Alot of coffee houses are great with lactose free alternatives, so you can drink almond milk, soya milk (unsweetened version) and still get your latte fix. Taste is mildly different but almond milk is quite nice. Try replacing your cheese fix for something like avocado or there are now lactose free alternatives, Tesco's does Violife, it's a case of trying something new ;)
 
Juicyj said:
Hey @Dazzy_D Great news on your weight loss and well controlled levels.

In some respects it's great to know this as you can then do something about it, but I hear your pain too with changing your diet. Alot of coffee houses are great with lactose free alternatives, so you can drink almond milk, soya milk (unsweetened version) and still get your latte fix. Taste is mildly different but almond milk is quite nice. Try replacing your cheese fix for something like avocado or there are now lactose free alternatives, Tesco's does Violife, it's a case of trying something new ;)
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Thanks juicy......have just enjoyed a cup of tea with almond milk and was pleasantly surprised :-)
I was amazed during the testing yesterday that Truvia sweetner (switched to that back in Jan as its a healthier option) is fine in powdered form, but the capsules are bulked by a milk derivative and are now off the menu !! Methinks eyes in the back of the head will be required here.......yet another challenge to overcome and rise to.
Thanks for your support
D
 
Daibell said:
Hi. If you like chocolate then Green & Blacks 85% is dairy-free. Our grandson has it as he's dairy intolerant. He has all the soya stuff, but it's an acquired taste.
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I love a few squares of dark choccy at night as a treat......Green and Blacks it will be :-)
Not a huge soya fan, but getting used to the almond milk
Thanks for the tip Daibell
 
If you are allergic to diary, how are you with goat and sheep? Goats cheese is lovely as is proper buffalo mozzarella, just a thought.
 
Have they told you what part of the dairy you have an intolerance towards?

The reason I ask is that there are two common kinds of dairy intolerance - lactose (the sugar) and whey (the protein).

Depending on your intolerance type, you may find you can take some dairy.

I am whey intolerant, so can happily chomp my way through butter, hard cheese, double/heavy cream, clotted cream - because the whey is taken out of those.

My partner is lactose intolerant, and he is fine with lactofree dairy products, butter, goats cheese, sheeps cheese...

Of course it depends quite how sensitive you are. I can tolerate cream, which has small amounts of whey in it. But even a splash of milk in tea will have me yawning like a hibernating bear.
 
As @Brunneria says, milk intolerance/allergy is a wide thing. Lactose intolerance is the most common but as there is little or no lactose in hard cheese and butter you can still have that. If you are allergic to milk protein it is very different as even butter contains some. Ghee is probably fine though.

And if it lactose intolerance there are enzyme you can supplement with should you need it occasionally.
 
Some interesting comments so far.

You could do with finding out what you are intolerant/allergic to.
Milk as a whole, or more commonly,
Lactose intolerance, or two main protein allergies, Whey and Casein

The popular myth about goat or sheep cheese being fine is just that, a myth, goat, sheep, and cow’s milk all contain about the same amount of lactose. The main difference is the fat composition.
There isn't a vast amount of lactose in hard cheese, and the lactose naturally breaks down after about a year or so. Aged cheese, of any type, should be fairly lactose free.

The whey protein is altered by heat, so boiled milk is normally ok for whey allergy.
Soft cheese can be made from whey, but it also contains lactose.
Hard cheese made from casein proteins are heat stable, so not alot affects the allergy.

As you have an allergy, and it was found at an allergy test, I would guess it's going to be a whey or casein protein allergy, as lactose intolerance is specifially your body lacking the enzyme to digest the lactose, and not an allergic reaction.

If they can't tell you, it should be easy to find out for yourself, by leaving out all dairy for a day or two, then trying a whey, or casein product. Obviously, if you are allergic, there is the risk of varying adverse reactions to this method.
 
Brunneria said:
Have they told you what part of the dairy you have an intolerance towards?

The reason I ask is that there are two common kinds of dairy intolerance - lactose (the sugar) and whey (the protein).

Depending on your intolerance type, you may find you can take some dairy.

I am whey intolerant, so can happily chomp my way through butter, hard cheese, double/heavy cream, clotted cream - because the whey is taken out of those.

My partner is lactose intolerant, and he is fine with lactofree dairy products, butter, goats cheese, sheeps cheese...

Of course it depends quite how sensitive you are. I can tolerate cream, which has small amounts of whey in it. But even a splash of milk in tea will have me yawning like a hibernating bear.
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Hi Brunneria,
I set the machine bleeping with milk, butter,yoghurt, cream and a sample of a protein (whey) shake I take daily. I even set the machine off with certain sweetners which I found incredible......Truvia in powdered form was ok, but the tablet form contain a milk derivative which set it off....hermesetas though were fine.....it appears the larger sweetner pills are a problem. Even had my meds tested and all ok bar the saxaglyptin which may have milk derivative as a form of binding agent......may be back to the docs on that one !!
Thanks
D
 
SunnyExpat said:
Some interesting comments so far.

You could do with finding out what you are intolerant/allergic to.
Milk as a whole, or more commonly,
Lactose intolerance, or two main protein allergies, Whey and Casein

The popular myth about goat or sheep cheese being fine is just that, a myth, goat, sheep, and cow’s milk all contain about the same amount of lactose. The main difference is the fat composition.
There isn't a vast amount of lactose in hard cheese, and the lactose naturally breaks down after about a year or so. Aged cheese, of any type, should be fairly lactose free.

The whey protein is altered by heat, so boiled milk is normally ok for whey allergy.
Soft cheese can be made from whey, but it also contains lactose.
Hard cheese made from casein proteins are heat stable, so not alot affects the allergy.

As you have an allergy, and it was found at an allergy test, I would guess it's going to be a whey or casein protein allergy, as lactose intolerance is specifially your body lacking the enzyme to digest the lactose, and not an allergic reaction.

If they can't tell you, it should be easy to find out for yourself, by leaving out all dairy for a day or two, then trying a whey, or casein product. Obviously, if you are allergic, there is the risk of varying adverse reactions to this method.
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Hi Sunny,
They have advised me to do just that.....cut it all out for 4-5 days and to gently re-introduce items as it could be that I have overloaded my system with just too many dairy products whilst following LCHF. Methinks the protein shake has tipped me over the edge ??
Thanks for some great info......again the forum proves to be invaluable :-)
 
Totto said:
As @Brunneria says, milk intolerance/allergy is a wide thing. Lactose intolerance is the most common but as there is little or no lactose in hard cheese and butter you can still have that. If you are allergic to milk protein it is very different as even butter contains some. Ghee is probably fine though.

And if it lactose intolerance there are enzyme you can supplement with should you need it occasionally.
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And I do love a curry Totto ;)
Many thanks
 
Dazzy_D said:
Hi Brunneria,
I set the machine bleeping with milk, butter,yoghurt, cream and a sample of a protein (whey) shake I take daily. I even set the machine off with certain sweetners which I found incredible......Truvia in powdered form was ok, but the tablet form contain a milk derivative which set it off....hermesetas though were fine.....it appears the larger sweetner pills are a problem. Even had my meds tested and all ok bar the saxaglyptin which may have milk derivative as a form of binding agent......may be back to the docs on that one !!
Thanks
D
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Reading that, and the protein shake, I would be reasonably safe to guess it's a whey allergy.
Good news for that is that it's not heat stable, so even though it's a very common bulk and binder, if the food is heat treated in the process it can be broken down.
It is slightly odd it's still present in the tablets, but possibly the quantity may just be a trace that you may be ok with.
 
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There are a lot of non whey protein shakes, for the allergic and vegan.
UHT milk, and UHT yoghurt de-nature the whey as well.
Even pasteurisation does to some degree, it all depends on your tolerance, and overall consumption.
 
SunnyExpat said:
There are a lot of non whey protein shakes, for the allergic and vegan.
UHT milk, and UHT yoghurt de-nature the whey as well.
Even pasteurisation does to some degree, it all depends on your tolerance, and overall consumption.
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I have found (and ordered) a non whey shake today. Will stick with Alpro brand for yoghurt and milk as these appear to fit the bill and are not so bad taste-wise as it goes. Koko spread will be on the Tesco delivery along with Violife cheese. That's covered the basics and I will work from there.
Thanks for all your good advise
 
Hmm, I didn't know about casein and whey allergies.

My diet is half dairy. I take lactase so that I can eat all the cottage cheese and ice cream I wish. Yogurt and regular cheeses don't contain lactose.
 
sud5nala said:
Hmm, I didn't know about casein and whey allergies.

My diet is half dairy. I take lactase so that I can eat all the cottage cheese and ice cream I wish. Yogurt and regular cheeses don't contain lactose.
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LIve yoghurt is better for lactose intolerance.
But there are some lactose free ones as well.
See my post above regarding cheese.
 
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