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Hi Guys!!

Are any of you getting fed up with the constant bickering going on in this forum of late, or am I the only one?

I come on here to learn, ask questions and to help others when I can. This forum has been an immensely valuable source of information to me since my diagnosis. However, over the past month it seems to have been nothing but bicker, bicker bicker between one clique and another. I think the entire episode over the former moderators was shameful; there were mistakes on all sides, but what's done is done - get over it! The low-carb forum has turned into war - it is there to discuss all things low-carb - if you want to high carb go to the non low carb forum - simples! As for the recent thread concerning copywright, it beggars belief - ripping off other people's work is not cool, but flaming newbies for publishing recipes to help others is equally uncool! For goodness sake, remember why the forum is here!! If I had joined this forum in the last few weeks, I would have left days ago, because it is currently not the helpful constructive place it was! Please, let's get back to helpful responses and curteous discussions!!! Put the past in the past and move on!

Glad to get that off my chest :lol: :lol: :lol:

Smidge
 
Well said Smidge! :)

Unfortunately some of us seen this coming and this weekends proceedings have come as no surprise, just hope admin can see through those that have no other motives but to disrupt and cause animosity on the forum and consequently take the appropriate action.

Nigel
 
Agreed Smidge....

All used to be so much nicer with people's real experiences....and real help...and real advice.....
 
I'm a newbie so am going to add my tuppence worth. :D

Like so many, I wandered around the forums reading the posts for a while before I took the plunge and posted. I did actually join last year regarding my daughter but only posted once so I class myself as new.

I saw the posts that have been mentioned and agree that they would be very offputting to a newcomer not to mention confusing which is really quite sad.
I think you will find that this goes on in all types of forums, even forums which are supposed to be offering help and support to each other..it's a very sad trait of human nature but there we go.

Frankly, I read the posts with more than a little bit of amusement because I find the antics quite comical..what people expect to get out of these kind of exchanges is beyond me but there you go..different strokes for different folks.

I have had brilliant advice since being here from people with differing viewpoints on the great diet debate, suggestions have been made gently and kindly to what might suit me as an individual and I am extremely grateful for that.

I haven't a clue what is going on with the moderator situation, nor admin..I sent a question to admin at the bginning of the week and have heard nothing back so it seems like the forum is running itself.

My advice to other newbies is ask away..leave those that want to argue to get on with it and leave room for those that want to help others to get on with doing just that.
 
Well said, all of you!

I've mentioned it before - but aren't the majority of us supposed to be grown-ups?

I'm all for free speech - maybe we should have a separate section that the bickering could be diverted to, so the rest of us could just get on with things?

Viv 8)
 
I agree with all the posts on this thread. I've just realised that I have been a member for a year now. I'm not sure I would have joined if I'd seen all this bickering.

I'd like to think that we are a helpful bunch and can give each other support and help newbies who are worried or have been given dodgy advice by their HCP.

I think there have been less new members joining recently ....
 
Well said smidge.

It is clear that over the last weekend several previously banned members of this forum have re registered using different usernames egged on by one particularly persistent forum knocker on his blog. I assume a weekend was chosen for this 'campaign' as there dont appear to be any moderators now overseeing the forum outside of office hours.

It cant be right can it that a few previously banned ex members can re register and cause turbulence like an eddy in the otherwise smoothly running waters of this forum?

I assume their aim is to bring down this forum as they did the old Low Carb forum, which IMHO if allowed to happen would be a travesty and a huge loss to all the diabetics who have received good advice on this forum despite what certain people blog to the contrary.
 
Quite.

Genuine members, offering genuine advice and sharing their experiences, with good intention are what makes this forum such a valuable resource. It must be that some posters are so intent on pursuing their own agenda, that they have forgotten this.

Much is said about "free speech" and "open debate" on forums, often by those that abuse it. Those that post with the sole purpose of pursuing a campaign aimed at provoking discord, disrupting the forum, and point scoring must be seen for what they are.

It matters not a jot who started it, we are not in a playground here, and throwing stones from behind the virtual bike shed is vindictive, childish and shameful.

I know that, without the help and advice that I received when I joined this forum, a year and a half ago, I would never have achieved the level of control over my diabetes that I now enjoy. So thank you to all of the genuine posters, and shame on those who value point scoring over helping others.

I suppose that I now risk being labelled as part of a "clique" :roll:

Oh well, sticks and stones...
 
Think I'm a 'clique' too...but proud of it!!!!!!
 
The turbulence is caused by the knee-jerk reactions from the usual suspects.

Whatever the antecedents, a perfectly reasonable post about the viability, or otherwise, of Low carb/low fat was attacked immediately instead of a discussion we can see the start of another slanging match!

The newly diagnosed must think they've joined a nut-house.

Until certain older members are muzzled things will not improve. The recent banning of Jay Wortman, a recognised authority on low carbing, is a case in point. A lot of the Mod edit: could be seen as offensive here seemed never to have heard of him or Jimmy Moore et al.

Reading some of the latest books and blog postings - often by doctors, cardiologists etc. - is beyond many here. When someone posts a link to something contrary to the cherished beliefs of those who perceive themselves as Mod edit: could be seen as offensive, they either decline to pursue it or find the appearance of an advert on the site an excuse to reject it's credibility.

Mod edit: personal comment

Even worse is the very real possibility of a person in need of help giving up and following the NHS guidelines.

By the way, I'm not a dietician, just a type 2 who has got his BG down to non diabetic levels, reduced his cholesterol from 5.5 to 4.7, halved trigliycerides and reduced his blood pressure. I eat very low carb, moderate protein and high fat. I now have more energy than I've had for years. No margarines or such, just honest to goodness animal fats, unrefined coconut oil and olive oil.

Ray
 
Sid Bonkers said:
Well said smidge.

It is clear that over the last weekend several previously banned members of this forum have re registered using different usernames egged on by one particularly persistent forum knocker on his blog. I assume a weekend was chosen for this 'campaign' as there dont appear to be any moderators now overseeing the forum outside of office hours.

It cant be right can it that a few previously banned ex members can re register and cause turbulence like an eddy in the otherwise smoothly running waters of this forum?

I assume their aim is to bring down this forum as they did the old Low Carb forum, which IMHO if allowed to happen would be a travesty and a huge loss to all the diabetics who have received good advice on this forum despite what certain people blog to the contrary.
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How do you know they are previously banned members?
 
raydavies said:
The turbulence is caused by the knee-jerk reactions from the usual suspects.

Whatever the antecedents, a perfectly reasonable post about the viability, or otherwise, of Low carb/low fat was attacked immediately instead of a discussion we can see the start of another slanging match!

The newly diagnosed must think they've joined a nut-house.

Until certain older members are muzzled things will not improve. The recent banning of Jay Wortman, a recognised authority on low carbing, is a case in point. A lot of the Mod edit: could be seen as offensive here seemed never to have heard of him or Jimmy Moore et al.

Reading some of the latest books and blog postings - often by doctors, cardiologists etc. - is beyond many here. When someone posts a link to something contrary to the cherished beliefs of those who perceive themselves as Mod edit: could be seen as offensive, they either decline to pursue it or find the appearance of an advert on the site an excuse to reject it's credibility.

Mod edit: personal comment

Even worse is the very real possibility of a person in need of help giving up and following the NHS guidelines.

By the way, I'm not a dietician, just a type 2 who has got his BG down to non diabetic levels, reduced his cholesterol from 5.5 to 4.7, halved trigliycerides and reduced his blood pressure. I eat very low carb, moderate protein and high fat. I now have more energy than I've had for years. No margarines or such, just honest to goodness animal fats, unrefined coconut oil and olive oil.

Ray
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I agree with you - how am I supposed to know why someone is launched into when they put - what is to me - a reasonable post up. CowboyJim puts up lots of interesting stuff and never gets flamed -s that because he's known rather than new?
 
ailz said:
raydavies said:
The turbulence is caused by the knee-jerk reactions from the usual suspects.

Whatever the antecedents, a perfectly reasonable post about the viability, or otherwise, of Low carb/low fat was attacked immediately instead of a discussion we can see the start of another slanging match!

The newly diagnosed must think they've joined a nut-house.

Until certain older members are muzzled things will not improve. The recent banning of Jay Wortman, a recognised authority on low carbing, is a case in point. A lot of the Mod edit: could be seen as offensive here seemed never to have heard of him or Jimmy Moore et al.

Reading some of the latest books and blog postings - often by doctors, cardiologists etc. - is beyond many here. When someone posts a link to something contrary to the cherished beliefs of those who perceive themselves as Mod edit: could be seen as offensive, they either decline to pursue it or find the appearance of an advert on the site an excuse to reject it's credibility.

Mod edit: personal comment

Even worse is the very real possibility of a person in need of help giving up and following the NHS guidelines.

By the way, I'm not a dietician, just a type 2 who has got his BG down to non diabetic levels, reduced his cholesterol from 5.5 to 4.7, halved trigliycerides and reduced his blood pressure. I eat very low carb, moderate protein and high fat. I now have more energy than I've had for years. No margarines or such, just honest to goodness animal fats, unrefined coconut oil and olive oil.

Ray
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I agree with you - how am I supposed to know why someone is launched into when they put - what is to me - a reasonable post up. CowboyJim puts up lots of interesting stuff and never gets flamed -s that because he's known rather than new?
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Yes cowboyJim puts a lot of interesting information for all to read, it appropiately titles his post, quick explination of what he found the links to the article the contents could be anything diabetic related not just one selected area..

He doesn't intitle a thread deliberately inflame or atagonise nor does he edit, preselect information that takes it out of context or reframe from showing newer up-dated information from the same source because the theory has changed from that author! Nor does he repeatly give the same old information to ram it down people's throat or tell individuals they have to do as they are told, too stupid to understand something etc etc, all he does is put it up to show you chose whether it's of any merit or interest to yourself..

Where as some here seem to do everything he doesn't constant deliberately atagonise, infalme, edit, select and take out of context and are constantly ramming down peoples throats one particular ideology, they can't seem to reframe from posting any information to a thread without putting in, I do this and that and I ahcieve this or that and you got to do the same...


ailz said:
How do you know they are previously banned members?
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It's all in what they say and do!

When you been a member of the forum for a long time you kinda get to recognise their MO
 
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