It was a company called '23 and me' which is mainly used for looking at ancestry but there is also a medical element to it too if you opt for that.
Thats really interesting. I didn't realize the gene for type 2 diabetes had been found. Where did you get your testing done? I have family members who would benefit from doing it.
Without calculations and accurate records it's difficult to say, maybe @Ronancastled has enough information. In my case I gave up biscuits, cakes, desserts and pastry amongst other things and these contain fat as well as carbs, so I don't think I really eat much more fat and protein than I used to, just without the accompanying high carbs. I do eat a lot more low carb vegetables than I used to but they are also pretty low in calories. I certainly don't find I need to have cream in my coffee, put butter on everything or eat a lot of fatty meat to compensate for my moderately low carb diet.Well most people don't just cut out carbs. They replace them with protein and fats.
Well that's you, not me. I had already mostly given up the things on your list 20 years before diagnosis as I was trying to lose weight. I had each of those things maybe twice a year.Without calculations and accurate records it's difficult to say, maybe @Ronancastled has enough information. In my case I gave up biscuits, cakes, desserts and pastry amongst other things and these contain fat as well as carbs, so I don't think I really eat much more fat and protein than I used to, just without the accompanying high carbs. I do eat a lot more low carb vegetables than I used to but they are also pretty low in calories. I certainly don't find I need to have cream in my coffee, put butter on everything or eat a lot of fatty meat to compensate for my moderately low carb diet.
While I respect your experiences, it wasnt mine. I have decades of accurate records. I rarely ate the things on your list anyway. I was low fat all the way too, so adding fats and more proteins more than compensated for my reduction in calories from carbs.Without calculations and accurate records it's difficult to say, maybe @Ronancastled has enough information. In my case I gave up biscuits, cakes, desserts and pastry amongst other things and these contain fat as well as carbs, so I don't think I really eat much more fat and protein than I used to, just without the accompanying high carbs. I do eat a lot more low carb vegetables than I used to but they are also pretty low in calories. I certainly don't find I need to have cream in my coffee, put butter on everything or eat a lot of fatty meat to compensate for my moderately low carb diet.
People who lose weight when adopting a low carb diet often say "I eat more calories than I used to" as a proof that calories don't matter. Judging from some of the previous diets above, I find it difficult to believe there hasn't been a reduction in calories as well as carbs. If, for example, someone has reduced their carbs by 400g per day that is also a reduction of 1,600 Calories per day.
Yup! Not only that, but people are not taking into account the huge amounts of fat. From the OP's carb calculations, they would've been hitting around 2000kcal, per-day, which is going to be close to many people's needs. Add to that the (I'd guess) couple of hundred grams of fat @9kcal, per gram, and it's easy to see how they became overweight
Looking at such a diet and blaming just carbs (or just fat for the PB crowd) is just absurd reductionism. The low-carbers say "Don't blame the meat for what the bun did", and the low-fat crowd say the same nonsense, only reversed.
There is a reason why those who either go to low-carb or low-fat find themselves losing a ton of weight, and for most end up reversing the symptoms of their metabolic disorders. The vegans want to say that fat is the reason people get fat, but ignore all those on keto losing weight. And certain of the LC/keto crowd want to blame it all on carbs, while mocking the preponderance of skinny vegans (A case of having one's low-carb cake and also wanting to eat it)
It ain't rocket surgery
It is hugely difficult because people (not just Type 2's are different).
For example both @Jim Lahey and I are/were Thin Outside Fat inside. This means we were in the 10% to 15% of slim Type 2 diabetics. Most of the comments about having to reduce calories (rather than just carbs) in order to lose weight come from the other 85% to 90% of Type 2's who are/were very overweight. This makes a huge difference.
Why? - because those who have been substantially overweight for many years have likely wrecked their resting metabolic rates by failed attempts to get to normal weight by conventional low calorie dieting. Neither Jim nor I had any experience of putting our bodies into a semi-permanent starvation mode so that even a small increase from ultra low to more normal calorie intake results in unwanted weight gain rather than increased energy and brain function.
In my case I wasn't just eating low fat, I was eating so little fat and no added table sugar that it would have been almost impossible to cut those further. It used to take my wife and I several years to use a standard 2lb bag of sugar even when she was baking regularly! So the idea that in reducing the carbs I also reduced calories from fat is just ridiculous, especially since going Low Carb freed me up to eat cheese (which I love) and eggs and brazil nuts so although I no longer eat over 200gms of cheese per day I still average around 100gms so that is an extra 100 calories of protein and 315 calories of fat in just a few minutes. where the same weight of wholemeal bread would be fewer calories, plus I find it much easier to over-indulge in cheese than in bread (I could always take it or leave it before my GP told me to eat it).
It is hugely difficult because people (not just Type 2's are different).
For example both @Jim Lahey and I are/were Thin Outside Fat inside. This means we were in the 10% to 15% of slim Type 2 diabetics. Most of the comments about having to reduce calories (rather than just carbs) in order to lose weight come from the other 85% to 90% of Type 2's who are/were very overweight. This makes a huge difference.
Why? - because those who have been substantially overweight for many years have likely wrecked their resting metabolic rates by failed attempts to get to normal weight by conventional low calorie dieting. Neither Jim nor I had any experience of putting our bodies into a semi-permanent starvation mode so that even a small increase from ultra low to more normal calorie intake results in unwanted weight gain rather than increased energy and brain function.
In my case I wasn't just eating low fat, I was eating so little fat and no added table sugar that it would have been almost impossible to cut those further. It used to take my wife and I several years to use a standard 2lb bag of sugar even when she was baking regularly! So the idea that in reducing the carbs I also reduced calories from fat is just ridiculous, especially since going Low Carb freed me up to eat cheese (which I love) and eggs and brazil nuts so although I no longer eat over 200gms of cheese per day I still average around 100gms so that is an extra 100 calories of protein and 315 calories of fat in just a few minutes. where the same weight of wholemeal bread would be fewer calories, plus I find it much easier to over-indulge in cheese than in bread (I could always take it or leave it before my GP told me to eat it).
You appear to disregard and disbelieve that carb regulation dysfunction is at the heart of much of the trigger and weight gain involved in most type 2 diabetes. Most of your posts in this thread are an incoherent mix unrelated matters.I was very specifically referring to people, such as the OP, who got very overweight eating way past their energy requirements on 1000's of calories of junk, but blame the carbs for all their issues. I managed to get to 19-stone at my highest, eating the same kind of ****. Blaming fat for that would also, even mathematically-speaking, would be incorrect.
I don't know why you are bringing fats into this at all. The subject heading is about carbs
I also wish to point out that many vegans, like most of the population, are not type 2 diabetics, so a sweeping generalisation about the body type of them is irrelevant.
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