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Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Flora123, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. Flora123

    Flora123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Stumbled on this and am confused. It recommends the exact opposite of what a lot of people on here have found works well for them. It is also pretty much the “diet” I ate for more than a year before diagnosis - low fat plant based diet ! Thoughts please.
     
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    xfieldok Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What site?
     
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    Tipetoo Type 2 · Expert

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    My crystal ball is borked at present, more clues needed...
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Ill stab a guess at either

    https://nutritionfacts.org the "facts" part is ironic I believe..

    Or

    https://www.mangomannutrition.com

    Do I win a prize?.. both are firm advocates of a WFPB way of eating that as most of us know to our cost won't help T2 much..
     
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  5. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What does your meter say. My younger brother was recommended a low GI diet on being told he was pre-diabetic. I did try to encourage him to try lower glycemic load or lower carb but to no avail. No surprise that he is now a medicated type II diabetic.
    There is no one size fits all and we are all free to follow what advice we want to. Personally I have found that by following a low carb diet (<50gms in my case) I don't have to take Gliclazide or Januvia (I took both) and I no longer have to have conversations about cholesterol or take Atorvastatin any more as my total cholesterol is now only 4. BTW, I didn't increase fat although I have tried to, I'm better off on low fat and low carb, but that's just me.
     
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  6. Flora123

    Flora123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Flora123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I’m very much enjoying and succeeding with LCHF. Just intrigued and curious as the suggested eating style advised there was pretty much what I was doing fir a long time before (shock) diagnosis..... although not sure I ever reached 900g carbs pd!!!
     
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    Antje77 LADA · Moderator
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    There's no clue to what website you're referring to, but it obviously doesn't work for you or you wouldn't have gotten your diagnosis...
     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    WFPB. Geger, Ornish and Kahn at top of page meant I had to go no further, lucky that :)
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    About the Author

    Cyrus Khambatta earned a PhD in Nutritional Biochemistry from UC Berkeley after being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in his senior year of college at Stanford University in 2002. He is an internationally recognized nutrition and fitness coach for people living with type 1, type 1.5, prediabetes and type 2 diabetes, and has helped hundreds of people around the world achieve exceptional insulin sensitivity by adopting low-fat, plant-based whole foods nutrition.

    Need I say more?
     
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    KK123 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I reckon it's quite easy to total 900carbs a day on an average person's diet. If you eat a couple of packets of crisps, a chocolate bar or two plus a bowl of pasta, two slices of toast etc, that can easily add up and it doesn't necessarily amount to overeating either.
     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Especially if you're having full fat pop. I know a lass who can easily finish a 2ltr bottle of Coke in a day. And it is not diet Coke.
     
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    NoCrbs4Me I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that diet works for some people. However, I know for sure the LCHF (mostly meat) worked for me.
     
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    walnut_face Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Tut-Tut @Guzzler you know only too well that 'classic coke' is 0% fat, but loads of sugar.
    Just shows how ingrained the anti-fat propaganda has become :)
     
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    kitedoc Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    The author quotes lots of references but they are not listed at the end of his article - no way to check them.
    And his experience seems almost diametrically opposite to Dr Richard Bernstein's experience.
    And with 10 to 15 % fat in his diet that means up to 90% of it is shared by protein and carbs. But can you actually attain say 45% protein without also having the accompanying fats not accumulate to > 10%.?
     
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    Flora123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    You think!!! Two packets of crisps and a chocolate bar or TWO plus pasta is not overeating?!
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Its the partner site to the mangoman one I linked to so I was half right Cyrus Khambatta is "Mangoman" a vegan T1 who makes lots of claims abut T2 without providing much (if any) evidence.. bit like the vegans I encountered today on Twitter who charmingly called me an ignorant pr**k.. they really know how to win an argument..
     
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    kitedoc Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the vegans are addled by self-imposed B12 deficiency ??
     
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    Flora123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks bb. How rude of them!
     
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    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think I know the website you mean now, I did see something like it some time ago. I think it's fair to say that we'd all be in need of a lot of medication to cope with 900gms carbohydrate and a lot of extra exercise to cater for the approximately 3600 calories and that's before we add anything for protein and fats.

    Edit: Just seen the link and I'm just gob smacked, so without calling anyone names as much as I'm tempted to and that includes some of the people adding their tuppence worth at that URL, it just goes to show how different we all are. Perhaps there is some alien genes in some of us, just don't know which aliens or which humans.

    I just know what happens when I increase my carbs and it certainly doesn't "cure" insulin resistance.
     
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