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I have been on keto for the past 6 months my blood sugar as dropped and I average 5.4 but if I exercise and take it, it jumps high 7.1 _ 9. Is this normal?
Thank youYes it can spike, it depends on how hard you exercise and the I think, the liver dumping glucose into the system for the energy boost.
I'm not 100% sure of the mechanisms behind it, but it is something that has come up on the forum from time to time
For a diabetic this is normal or typical. A diabetic is insulin-deficient (including type-2), and hence the secondary hormones (e.g. adrenal) have a more powerful effect than in a non-diabetic.I have been on keto for the past 6 months my blood sugar as dropped and I average 5.4 but if I exercise and take it, it jumps high 7.1 _ 9. Is this normal?
Not necessarily.. they can be overproducing insulin but resistant to it.A diabetic is insulin-deficient
A diabetic is insulin-deficient (including type-2)
Sorry, the widespread myth that a T2D is not insulin deficient reflects the widespread misunderstanding of the hepatic-islets (i.e. portal) axis and its endocrinology, both in diabetes and in non-diabetes. This is WHY I emphasized that there is sustantial insulin deficiency in T2DM.Not necessarily.. they can be overproducing insulin but resistant to it.
Apart from those of us that have had our insulin tested you mean.. those mythical creatures? The one's that have "normal" insulin levels.Sorry, the widespread myth that a T2D is not insulin deficient r
For a diabetic this is normal or typical. A diabetic is insulin-deficient (including type-2), and hence the secondary hormones (e.g. adrenal) have a more powerful effect than in a non-diabetic.
There is a large diurnal dependence. If you can, perform exercise in afternoon or evening, and avoid it in the morning. It is likely you may see no hyperglycemia if you can shift physical exercise to late in the day. Dr. Richard Bernstein often prescribes a rapid-acting beta blocker to prevent the hyperglycemic spike in diabetics during exercise -- this apparently is quite effective, if necessary. If you search on it you should be able to find the specific drug he uses -- I cannot recall off the top of head.
Agree -- I need a lie down with a wet flannel on my head after reading thatwalls of text don't make for easy reading...
Thank you I'm doing keto still have a lot of weight to go and this was very helpfullTo try and actually provide some short and hopefully helpful information, I go to the gym 4 or 5 times a week. I fast walk as warm up for about 10 minutes then heavy weight-lifting for another 30+ minutes. I go in the morning and in the afternoon. 8 months ago and nearly 30 lbs heavier with a lot of bad fat under the stomach muscles my bg levels would spike from about 6 to over 10 and the morning was always worse. Now, with the same exercise and much less fat (from a low carb diet) there is no significant spike. In fact I sometimes need to have a snack afterwards to bring my glucose levels back up. My understanding is that the liver stores and releases glucose when the pancreas sees a low level. I rarely get below 5.0 because this process works really well. The glucose in the liver has to be replenished from somewhere and if it is not available in the blood then the body burns fat to create energy with any surplus going to the liver for future use. (This is the KISS explanation that I need). We are all different and you may have a different reaction but spiking after exercise seems normal for many of us but I was able to control this through diet. Come back to the forum and read the information from how those of us with T2 deal with our condition. I suggest supposed scientific research has not found an answer for us in nearly 100 years and we probably know more about how our own body works and reacts.
Presumably during the fast medication would still be taken. What about those that rely on food for absorption or to minimise side-effects (e.g. ibuprofen)? It is best to consult a doctor if on other medication as a fast might interfere with treatment of unrelated disorders.P.S. One of the many things that distinguishes T2DM from other insulin-deficient forms is that there is no measureable early loss of normal islets-hormonal response to AAs (amino acids). This is a HUGE advantage. Hence, a sufficiently low-carb diet will normalize BG during the first few years after conventional diagnosis (i.e. after loss of insulin granulation), and insulin therapy is NOT required to prevent diabetic complications in early T2DM. I should have mentioned this above, particulary for Debra's benefit if she has been only recently diagnosed. Once again, this has been well recognized since the 1970s, and back then it was actually studied by some researchers. Due to the insulin/glucose-centric myopia of later decades little has been done since -- evidently funding is not available, unsurprisingly.
Once the T2D advances (in loss of beta-cell function) more toward insulin dependence the hyperglycemic response to AAs will appear.
I would strongly recommend regular prolonged (e.g. five days) fasting -- no food, only water -- several times a year for a T2D seriously working upon beta-cell regeneration and reversal of the condition. This is, by far, the most potent stimulus for cellular repair and regeneration. Short of a full fast, there are some medically prescribed forms of very-low nutrient formulas now available, and these can achieve a close approximation of the fasted state for those who prefer to put something (however nutritionally insignificant) into their stomachs every day. ProLon (developed by Valter Longo) is one such.
Adding some electrolytes, especially Na and K, to daily water is recommended for those who perform a conventional fast. One should probably consult an appropriate physician (if one can be found) in preparation, but IMO this is unnecessary unless there are complications of abnormal health. T2DM itself would not be such a complication. Anyone performing a fast should first be fully, long-term keto-adapted -- this is a must.
I have been on keto for the past 6 months my blood sugar as dropped and I average 5.4 but if I exercise and take it, it jumps high 7.1 _ 9. Is this normal?