Exercise isnt working

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

I have been training 5x a week for 1 hour i have been eating low carb i have been reading labels so, anything that's 5g per 100g or under
But somehow after my exercise and my meals my blood sugar is still high around 9-10 it doesn't come down after - and morning its around 11-12, - i am going to continue my exercise but i was wondering if the blood sugar being high may be due to my supplements i use,
I take
VitD 1-2,000IU
B12 1000yg
Magnesium 500mg
Vitamin C 1500mg
Coenzyme 30mg

I don't know if its due to my supplements, i try to stay away from buying them but somehow i get emails from Holland and barrett and offers and i do look up the benefits of the supplement too.

I have tried contacting my gp but they're busy its been 4 weeks now and no luck, won't let me book a appointment either.

If anyone knows if these supplements could be the reason why im still high i would appreciate any advice.

I wont be getting anymore.

NicoleC1971 · Sep 23, 2020

UsmanMo96 said:
I have been training 5x a week for 1 hour i have been eating low carb i have been reading labels so, anything that's 5g per 100g or under
But somehow after my exercise and my meals my blood sugar is still high around 9-10 it doesn't come down after - and morning its around 11-12, - i am going to continue my exercise but i was wondering if the blood sugar being high may be due to my supplements i use,
I take
VitD 1-2,000IU
B12 1000yg
Magnesium 500mg
Vitamin C 1500mg
Coenzyme 30mg

I don't know if its due to my supplements, i try to stay away from buying them but somehow i get emails from Holland and barrett and offers and i do look up the benefits of the supplement too.

I have tried contacting my gp but they're busy its been 4 weeks now and no luck, won't let me book a appointment either.

If anyone knows if these supplements could be the reason why im still high i would appreciate any advice.

I wont be getting anymore.

Hi - can't think of any known reason for these supplements raising your blood sugars and if you are taking a statin the Coenzyme q10 is necessary as is vit b12 if you're on metformin.
Vitamin D is a good idea as we head into Winter though eating low carb, high fat will help this vitamin be absorbed properly. I ma type 1 and take it too and never had a spike resulting from it.
If you can tell us a little about what training you are doing and your actual diet that might help.
Other factors that can cause issues are sleep, stress and illness.

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

NicoleC1971 said:
Hi - can't think of any known reason for these supplements raising your blood sugars and if you are taking a statin the Coenzyme q10 is necessary as is vit b12 if you're on metformin.
Vitamin D is a good idea as we head into Winter though eating low carb, high fat will help this vitamin be absorbed properly. I ma type 1 and take it too and never had a spike resulting from it.
If you can tell us a little about what training you are doing and your actual diet that might help.
Other factors that can cause issues are sleep, stress and illness.

I am doing weight lifting and cardio, & i am eating eggs in the morning & green tea, and evening i am having some salmon or tuna with some vegetables but, i usually read labels if im out, i had a tuna crunch which had 3.5g carbs, but i drink plenty of water, i sometimes eat the same thing everyday but not the salmon or tuna everyday, i had donnor from Iceland without the naan. I have cut out rice and pasta for good because i i spike quick with having those foods.

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

rosemaree said:
I take a similar mix of vitamins, maybe slightly lower dosage, and I don't take coenzyme. I find my levels are actually better when I take them consistently, but that could be because I am possibly in a better state and being more consistent with eating at the same time.

I did have a stint of bad readings and feeling super ill after a doctor put me on 5000IU of vitamin D daily, it started after 3 days and stopped a day or two after I stopped taking them.

Have you noticed the higher readings just since you started taking supplements?

I have been taking vitaminD for over a year due to my blood test saying im low. I have noticed constipation and even with stretching my bones seem to click so maybe vitD isn't absorbing properly i might stop all supplements to see any trends?

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

Someone sent me this, i think maybe it could be due to vitamin C, i take 1 pill which is 1500mg
But i really want to continue my vitaminC due to the immune system maybe i could half it

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

rosemaree said:
Have you had your levels rechecked? when I was initially diagnosed as having low vit D, I was told to recheck every 3 months after starting supplementation - apparently too much can actually be toxic. As far as I understand it is a fat soluble vitamin, so you'd need to take it with a meal to make sure you get the best absorption, and it can stay in the body for some time, not like the water soluble that gets flushed out.
Interesting about the clicking, do you mean your joints click? When I was on the 5000IU I started getting quite severe bone pains, I can't imagine it would cause clicking - but I really don't know.

Re the constipation, do you know what type of magnesium you are taking? certain types actually help with constipation.

I have actually seen something like that before, but have taken higher doses myself without experiencing spikes from it. Maybe it has to do with the type or quality of the supplement though

I was also advised that our bodies can only absorb a certain amount of vitamin C at a time so it is better to take 500mg multiple times a day,

I need to get the vitD checked definitely,
& my bones may be due to my exercise,
Magnesium citrate i take,
The vitamin C is a holland and barrett 1.
I didn't mention it but i have started K2 aswell

NicoleC1971 · Sep 23, 2020

I think vitamin K2 is also linked to calcium metabolism somehow
You're right. I think someone phrased it as K carries the calcium (into the bones rather than into your arterial pipework).

NicoleC1971 · Sep 23, 2020

UsmanMo96 said:
I am doing weight lifting and cardio, & i am eating eggs in the morning & green tea, and evening i am having some salmon or tuna with some vegetables but, i usually read labels if im out, i had a tuna crunch which had 3.5g carbs, but i drink plenty of water, i sometimes eat the same thing everyday but not the salmon or tuna everyday, i had donnor from Iceland without the naan. I have cut out rice and pasta for good because i i spike quick with having those foods.

Hi, I am puzzled as to why your blood sugar is remaining high but weights will definitely spike it temporarily though because you are growing muscle this in the end makes you more insulin sensitive. Focus should be on the large muscle groups (legs, glutes, back, shoulders, chest) if you want to become less diabetic/insulin resistant.
Cardio is good for lowering sugars normally although if it is HIit this will spike them. A mixture of both is great (I am a PT by the way).
Your diet seems excellent and I hope you are getting enough not to be hungry with all that training?. Are you taking any steroids or drinking lots of protein shakes perchance?
What if any meds are you taking? How is your sleep/stress?

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

rosemaree said:
I think mag citrate can have a very mild (if any) laxative effect on your stomach, so would keep that up.

I had to look up the vitamin c, it seems pretty standard, most are made with ascorbic acid - some brands add a buffer for the acidity, but I've only ever read of that being a problem if taking really high doses of vitamin c.

This is a bit of a tangent as I can't remember the exact details, but I recall learning about clicking joints being from a build up of acid, and if you have excess acid your body draws calcium out of your bones/stores to balance it. Acid in the body is not necessarily related to acidic foods consumed though,
I think vitamin K2 is also linked to calcium metabolism somehow

Perhaps someone here knows more about it all though!?

It might be a good idea to chat to a practitioner who has a full understanding of the effects and interactions of supplements.

Sometimes we take one thing we are lacking without fulling understanding the intricate balance that is needed,

I’m going to look into it and hope my gp calls me because it’s been 4 weeks since I have asked to talk to my gp but I can imagine how busy they are with telephone appointments.

& I will probably take my medication tomorrow alone without any supplements and check my blood sugar.

and I will see what everyone else says and will be good to know what everyone else knows.

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

NicoleC1971 said:
Hi, I am puzzled as to why your blood sugar is remaining high but weights will definitely spike it temporarily though because you are growing muscle this in the end makes you more insulin sensitive. Focus should be on the large muscle groups (legs, glutes, back, shoulders, chest) if you want to become less diabetic/insulin resistant.
Cardio is good for lowering sugars normally although if it is HIit this will spike them. A mixture of both is great (I am a PT by the way).
Your diet seems excellent and I hope you are getting enough not to be hungry with all that training?. Are you taking any steroids or drinking lots of protein shakes perchance?
What if any meds are you taking? How is your sleep/stress?

I usually start with cardio, 20 minutes on the stair-master get a sweat going, then I move onto weights, 16kg dumbbells I do, 4 sets of 10 reps chest, I usually am full and I don’t drink any shakes, - I used to struggle with sleep but now I manage to get a few hours in before I stayed wide awake.

I take Sitaglptin and metformin.

NicoleC1971 · Sep 23, 2020

UsmanMo96 said:
I usually start with cardio, 20 minutes on the stair-master get a sweat going, then I move onto weights, 16kg dumbbells I do, 4 sets of 10 reps chest, I usually am full and I don’t drink any shakes, - I used to struggle with sleep but now I manage to get a few hours in before I stayed wide awake.

I take Sitaglptin and metformin.

Shakes (whey protein) can spike you so I am glad you are focussing on real food (not processed ). Hopefully no juices either or milky coffees? (clutching at straws a bit here!)
Not sure what else to suggest other than keeping going to build the muscle and working on your sleep patterns as cortisol can have a surprising impact on blood sugars in my experience and going without adequate sleep even if it is more than you are used to, is a known risk factor (shift workers suffer more from diabetes and obesity for example).
If you continue to have a higher average bg at your next review I am guessing more meds will be suggested.

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

NicoleC1971 said:
Shakes (whey protein) can spike you so I am glad you are focussing on real food (not processed ). Hopefully no juices either or milky coffees? (clutching at straws a bit here!)
Not sure what else to suggest other than keeping going to build the muscle and working on your sleep patterns as cortisol can have a surprising impact on blood sugars in my experience and going without adequate sleep even if it is more than you are used to, is a known risk factor (shift workers suffer more from diabetes and obesity for example).
If you continue to have a higher average bg at your next review I am guessing more meds will be suggested.

I am going to continue exercise, although I haven’t been able to lose body fat I am hoping I can sooner or later see some results, - sleep is a big issue I hope I don’t go back to wide awake at night like I used too I would love to aim for 6 hours. && my libre is telling me my hba1c is 112 yeeeks

KK123 · Sep 23, 2020

Hi @UsmanMo96, are you still on insulin then? Your situation is quite baffling. x

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

KK123 said:
Hi @UsmanMo96, are you still on insulin then? Your situation is quite baffling. x

no I stopped it, it wasn’t doing much for me at all 6 months I was on it, long acting and short acting. But, I might have to go back into it if I exercise and diet isn’t working

ert · Sep 23, 2020

You're certainly having a tough time of it. Have you tried intermittent fasting? I find it helps me burn body fat and get my blood sugars down.

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

ert said:
You're certainly having a tough time of it. Have you tried intermittent fasting? I find it helps me burn body fat and get my blood sugars down.

I have, I haven’t done anything like 24hr, but I have done 12/16 hours fasting, I might get back into that and see if that helps burn body fat and bring blood sugars down. My energy has been good at the gym last 2 weeks now I’m lifting more and feeling like I can go on longer, but the blood sugars aren’t showing me any improvement, I am going to continue my exercise and I will continue to get my blood sugar numbers down.

AshrafUM920 · Sep 23, 2020

rosemaree said:
I have never used a libre, so don't know how accurate they are, but from what you have shared things don't seem to add up too well. Even if the supplements did cause an increased blood glucose level, I don't imagine they would have such an effect.

You said your sugar levels don't come down? when else are you testing, eg before a meal, 3 or 4 hours after eating etc?

I'm sorry to hear you are battling with sleep so much as well, it really can have quite an effect on your sugar levels. And I hope you can get through to your doctor soon, so they can help you figure things out.

I am testing before meals, & 2 hours after and before bed;

Im still working out this sleep problem, magnesium citrate with my evening meals has improved my sleep.

My glucose levels i check 1-2 hours after exercise and its usually around 12mmol and i check again before my evening meal and its up 14mmol; im going to keep exercising but that did leave me guessing why my exercise didnt help my blood sugars improve.

I really wanted to discuss with my gp about some blood tests, but the phone is always busy and the appointment are fully booked; 4 weeks now.

My weight has gone down and thats probably the only positive thing from my exercise, hopefully even my glucose levels will go down aswell.

LaoDan · Sep 24, 2020

UsmanMo96 said:
I usually start with cardio, 20 minutes on the stair-master get a sweat going, then I move onto weights, 16kg dumbbells I do, 4 sets of 10 reps chest, I usually am full and I don’t drink any shakes, - I used to struggle with sleep but now I manage to get a few hours in before I stayed wide awake.

I take Sitaglptin and metformin.

It sounds like a great program, very similar to mine. When are you training? And when do you eat? What’s been really working for me is a hearty breakfast, 90 minutes later I’m at the gym, then I eat a lot right after, then that’s pretty much it for the rest of the day eating wise . I found timing to be pretty important. The golden hour is when I consume 70% of my daily calories

AshrafUM920 · Sep 24, 2020

LaoDan said:
It sounds like a great program, very similar to mine. When are you training? And when do you eat? What’s been really working for me is a hearty breakfast, 90 minutes later I’m at the gym, then I eat a lot right after, then that’s pretty much it for the rest of the day eating wise . I found timing to be pretty important. The golden hour is when I consume 70% of my daily calories

I train around 11am i have 2 boiled eggs for breakfast and i usually head straight to the gym 1 hour later. I also consume 1.5L of water at the gym. My evening meal is around 6pm; ill have probably something under 4g of carbs like the tuna crunch or ill have some salmon.

ert · Sep 24, 2020

UsmanMo96 said:
I have, I haven’t done anything like 24hr, but I have done 12/16 hours fasting, I might get back into that and see if that helps burn body fat and bring blood sugars down. My energy has been good at the gym last 2 weeks now I’m lifting more and feeling like I can go on longer, but the blood sugars aren’t showing me any improvement, I am going to continue my exercise and I will continue to get my blood sugar numbers down.

I run between 7 and 10 km every morning, skipping breakfast and eating lunch after 3 pm (18 hours of fasting) and complete weights or circuits in the afternoon. Eating a late lunch has an amazing levelling effect on my blood sugars and I'm losing body fat. It's all about finding something that works for you. Have you read Dr Fung's The Obesity Code? If not, I recommend it.

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