Exogenous Ketones

ringi

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So DKA is having high ketones AND high bgl AND low insulin in a perfect storm.

Sorry not 100% correct.

DKA is when due to very low or no insulin the cells in the body are not able to make use of glucose or ketones. The high ketones and high BG are symptoms of DKA, along with nausea or vomiting, abdominal pain, confusion, fruity-smelling breath, a flushed face, fatigue, rapid breathing, dry mouth and skin. The best test for DKA is a “blood gas test”, but as the blood must be put in the machine within minutes of the sample being taken, this test has to be done by A&E not a GP.

Dehydration greatly increases the risk of DKA, hence the advice to drink lots of water if your BG is high.

Ketones do not course DKA, hence these overpriced and unneeded “Exogenous Ketenes” will not increase the risk of DKA.

DKA is uncommon in Type2 as we tend to produce too much insulin not too little with insulin resistance being the reason with have high BG. (But remember that some people who are told they are Type2 have Type 1 or Type 3c.)
 

ringi

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(“Exogenous Ketenes” can be useful for epilepsy but only when combined with restricted carb intake.)
 

Oldvatr

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Sorry not 100% correct.

DKA is when due to very low or no insulin the cells in the body are not able to make use of glucose or ketones. The high ketones and high BG are symptoms of DKA, along with nausea or vomiting, abdominal pain, confusion, fruity-smelling breath, a flushed face, fatigue, rapid breathing, dry mouth and skin. The best test for DKA is a “blood gas test”, but as the blood must be put in the machine within minutes of the sample being taken, this test has to be done by A&E not a GP.

Dehydration greatly increases the risk of DKA, hence the advice to drink lots of water if your BG is high.

Ketones do not course DKA, hence these overpriced and unneeded “Exogenous Ketenes” will not increase the risk of DKA.

DKA is uncommon in Type2 as we tend to produce too much insulin not too little with insulin resistance being the reason with have high BG. (But remember that some people who are told they are Type2 have Type 1 or Type 3c.)
The OP is T1. Here are some actual case studies
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2518462