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Yai

Yai

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Hello all, I am doing well on my self imposed regime of around 100g carbs and 1200 ish calories a day, good blood results. Now at end of week 3 and 9lb loss. Just wondering if the high fat is the catalyst for the weight loss and lower glucose, or is it simply to keep us feeling full. I really struggle eating so much "rich" food. Thanks in advance for any comments.
 
According to several professors eating fat provokes the hormone Leptin which is the hormone which can get the triglycerides out of the fat cells. Unfortunately insulin can only put stuff into cells so without Leptin it's a one way trip.
 
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Just to add a personal opinion. The phrase "High Fat" shouldn't be taken too literally. Just avoid low fat products and the scares of the last 50 years about chicken skin, milk etc. Eat the full fat stuff but you don't really need to go much further than that.
 
IMO high fat just means fat is the highest percentage of food. I eat 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. Example, half an avocado with celery and a few ounces of turkey. Or a big handful of lettuce, 1/2 can tuna drizzles with olive oil and some chopped avoacado. Theses meals meet those macros. No need to gob fat if not desired. My mantra is very low carb, moderate protein and enough fat to satisfy

Protein should be set at just enough for maintenance and repair, chose your carb level and fill the rest in with healthy fats like avocado, olive oil, nuts...

Lchf is not high protein. The hf part should be replacing your carb calories with fat calories. Sometimes it's misunderstood that the more fat you eat, the better. Calories do matter. No need to over load on anything.
 
Kristin251 said:
IMO high fat just means fat is the highest percentage of food. I eat 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. Example, half an avocado with celery and a few ounces of turkey. Or a big handful of lettuce, 1/2 can tuna drizzles with olive oil and some chopped avoacado. Theses meals meet those macros. No need to gob fat if not desired. My mantra is very low carb, moderate protein and enough fat to satisfy

Protein should be set at just enough for maintenance and repair, chose your carb level and fill the rest in with healthy fats like avocado, olive oil, nuts...

Lchf is not high protein. The hf part should be replacing your carb calories with fat calories. Sometimes it's misunderstood that the more fat you eat, the better. Calories do matter. No need to over load on anything.
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Thank you. This makes sense to me.
 
I watched the film "Fat Head" over the weekend. See ...
This was done as a riposte to the documentary "Supersize Me" by standup comedian Tom Naughton. He ate fast food for a month to see what effect it had on him. However, he was careful to stick to under 2,000 calories and less than 100g of carbs a day. Basically eating a big mac, but skipping the fries and drinking diet drinks rather than the full sugar versions. His "junk food" diet was over 50% fat. Surprisingly he actually lost weight over the four weeks and his percentage body fat dropped.

Another film called "Cereal Killers" (available on dietdoctor.com) has athlete Donal O'Neill eating a low carb, high fat diet for a months to see the effect. He too lost weight.

You get fat by eating too many carbs which raises blood glucose and triggers the body to create insulin which stores the sugar as fat. Eating fat does not make you fat unless you also eat a lot of carbs as well.
 
If you are getting hypos - either the real thing or the ones I felt as my brain objected to the removal of the high blood glucose levels, then the first thing to sort out would be any medication you are taking which forces your body to dispose of sugars or not have the ability to release sugar into the bloodstream. You might like to consult your doctor about that.

The second option is that you are running out of glucose in the blood as your supply of insulin is too high - which can be the case with type two diabetics with an hysterical pancreas. For the second case, just increase your intake of carbs by a tiny amount whenever you feel yourself go wobbly - a few grapes or a slice of melon should do the trick - repeat as necessary - no need to chomp on a Mars bar unless you are about to start some serious exertion.

I had hypos of the false kind but it was not difficult just to eat a few grapes and wait for my body to adapt - I have done low carb eating in the past, and was confident that I just had to wait for things to normalise. I felt so much better when I did start to burn fat - celebrated with boiled bacon and fried eggs mushrooms and sweet pepper for breakfast - Dr Atkins revenge. (Boiling bacon removes the salt and some other soluble things and it also defrosts the solid slab if you keep your packs in the freezer like me.)
 
Art Of Flowers said:
I watched the film "Fat Head" over the weekend. See ...
This was done as a riposte to the documentary "Supersize Me" by standup comedian Tom Naughton. He ate fast food for a month to see what effect it had on him. However, he was careful to stick to under 2,000 calories and less than 100g of carbs a day. Basically eating a big mac, but skipping the fries and drinking diet drinks rather than the full sugar versions. His "junk food" diet was over 50% fat. Surprisingly he actually lost weight over the four weeks and his percentage body fat dropped.

Another film called "Cereal Killers" (available on dietdoctor.com) has athlete Donal O'Neill eating a low carb, high fat diet for a months to see the effect. He too lost weight.

You get fat by eating too many carbs which raises blood glucose and triggers the body to create insulin which stores the sugar as fat. Eating fat does not make you fat unless you also eat a lot of carbs as well.
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Excellent. A lot of information to digest. I am only an hour in. Recommend having a 10 minute watch from 52 minutes in.
 
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