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My mum and dad have recently been diagnosed with diabetes, they are 78 and 80, neither are overweight. Their GP's have given them no advice whatsoever, mum had a diet leaflet thrown at her, and my dad was told by his doctor that potatoes were fine to eat. He's irish so to do away with spuds is something he would notice. Neither of them have been told anything about diet, just to carry on as they were. I try to speak to mum about it but she's not bothered and hasn't changed her diet at all. She can't walk far now anyway after she was on statins for a year.
It's just I think that the advice given out is diabolical, given that particularly some elderly folk arn't going to change, we seem to be tarred with the same brush. Younger and younger people are being diagnosed and there is a catastrophy waiting in the wings.
 

Oh dear!!!!! lets not personal and please refrain from appearing to start a row with me. its ok for someone to make a comment about small sedantary women is i :?: t and noone says anything, :shock: except me, in a non nasty way. There is no need for you to throw nasty accusations at me , I will not, I repeat will not get upset or angry by YOU. I hope that makes it clear, and as for jopar quoted comments, I do hope you get exactly whats coming to you. With very best wishes RRB
 
lucylocket61 said:
I though this forum was all about being kind and sharing knowledge and experience to help each other.
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Yes Lucy, I thought that too. Perhaps Jopar can enlighten us to where she gets her insider information that "DCUK is a internet franchise company, that sells diabetic products mainly for the UK market etc it's not an organisation that actually provides support for diabetics". I suspect many of us would be most interested in hearing how she knows that.
 
Robinredbreast said:
its ok for someone to make a comment about small sedantary women is i t and noone says anything,
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I'm not joining this pointless argument, but I think you misunderstood that reference by Borofergie. It wasn't a sexist comment (which is why no-one else commented on it as such); the RDA for women (calories, carbs etc) is understandably less than for a man. The reference was used to illustrate the fact that an extremely low calorie intake could only sustain an extreme case; a short, light, non-active woman who would require the least calories of anyone (other than a child) I think the follow up comment "defending" ladies wasn't needed.
 
Pffft. :roll: DCUK doesn't provide support for diabetics? Tosh. What are we all doing here then?

Mission statement says otherwise, it has never pretended to be anything other than what it is and has probably the most widely used forum out there..regardless of the advertising.

I rest my case your honour. :lol:
 

No I simply think stereotyping others by race, religion, sex or whatever is wrong who ever does it. It leads to attitudes in people like T2 diabetics bring it on themselves because they are fat and lazy or that all Moslem people are potential terrorists.

With regard to "as for jopar quoted comments, I do hope you get exactly whats coming to you." What is wrong with asking someone who makes anonymous accusations to make clear who they are aiming the comment at. In my opinion it is only fair that if those kind of accusations are made that people can respond to them or are you saying it's fine to let that kind of accusation go unchallenged?
 
Sitefinders:
http://www.sitefinders.co.uk/portfolio.html
When I was first diagnosed this site had a different ownership and a logo which mimicked that of DUK. I thought it was deliberately misleading It came up on searches before the charity and seemed to imply that it was DUK, I didn't use it on principle.
I think that things have improved since then, though TBH, I think the name still confuses. The mission statement suggests an altruistic motive but to be honest am not sure of how things work financially.
 

That's very sad news Dawn. My mum would never take any advice in her later years despite knowing deep down that not taking her heart medication was a bad idea. Remember though that you can can give good advice to them yourself, or at least try. I found telling my mum she needed to do something would never succeed but if you got her think it was her idea then we got a lot further but it is very difficult.
 

The parent companies mission statement seems reasonably altruistic http://www.sitefinders.co.uk/about-sitefinders.html As to it's position in search engines then that is largely down to how good the SEO of the site is. Personally I would love to see DCUK beat DUK in the listings.

 
Thank you all. We would like to add a personal word. At Diabetes.co.uk we invest a lot of time and care to ensure that information on the website is suitable for people with diabetes and also reflects the wide range of thoughts and experiences of everyone with diabetes.

The video that this thread is in response to is one on 'NHS diet advice'. The NHS's advice has been to have starchy carbohydrate with meals so to omit this key fact would be misleading. We are not for, nor are we against, any particular diet. We were merely stating the facts.

Diabetes.co.uk recognises the importance of listening to people with diabetes and it is for this reason that the video and each piece of supporting text around the video draws attention to the fact that others are questioning the advice.

As the mission statement states, we're committed to giving a range of information to help people with diabetes. Giving people choice to make their own decisions is very important to us and this we feel is reflected in the range of diets we discuss.

With many thanks
Benedict and the Diabetes.co.uk team
 
Thanks for that Benedict.

From what you have written namely "We are not for, nor are we against, any particular diet" which is great then does that equate to DCUK saying "As a diabetic you may want to choose the most suitable diet for your condition even if that diet is not endorsed by the UK guidelines." That's the breakthrough for me as it would definitely distinguish DCUK away from DUK in my opinion. If DCUK is saying that then I retract all my of DCUK criticisms in this thread.
 
benedict said:
As the mission statement states, we're committed to giving a range of information to help people with diabetes. Giving people choice to make their own decisions is very important to us and this we feel is reflected in the range of diets we discuss.
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Just what some us have been saying throughout the thread :thumbup:
 
does that equate to DCUK saying "As a diabetic you may want to choose the most suitable diet for your condition even if that diet is not endorsed by the UK guidelines."
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I would extend it to "as a person, you are free to choose a diet based on your individual needs and values".

With thanks
Benedict
 

:shock:

Look at this:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

All other things being equal:
1. FACT: small people use less calories than big people
2. FACT: women use less calories than men
3. FACT: sedantry people use more calories than active people

The only way you can get to 1200 kcal a day is 1 + 2 + 3

There are no value judgements associated with this.
 
I am a small sedentary woman ......where's me protest placard and soap box???

:lol:

Its nice to know that, while I am trying to lose weight on 1200 cals a day, the NHS is right (giggles)
 

So not quite then. That reads as DCUK leaves the choice to the individual and as an organisation has no stated position regarding diet at all itself?

A perfectly valid position for it to take which neatly avoids the issue of not having to state any implied opposition to the UK guidelines when it lists other diets. Thanks for the clarification. I will retract my criticism as I had incorrectly assumed DCUK did have a dietary position as an organisation much as DUK has.

I still think its a shame it does not have its own recommended position as in "DCUK's stated position is you are free to choose a diet based on your individual needs and values" rather than "as a person, you are free to choose a diet based on your individual needs and values".
 

I'm not joining this pointless argument, but I think you misunderstood that reference by Borofergie. It wasn't a sexist comment (which is why no-one else commented on it as such); the RDA for women (calories, carbs etc) is understandably less than for a man. The reference was used to illustrate the fact that an extremely low calorie intake could only sustain an extreme case; a short, light, non-active woman who would require the least calories of anyone (other than a child) I think the follow up comment "defending" ladies wasn't needed.[/quote

Hello Grazer . pointless argument :?

Borofergie commented earlier about a 4ft woman weighing 6.5 stones :?: ( I did try to copy and pasteit, twice, but it wouldn't, but if you would like go back to the thread, you will see it. 4 ft women, I very much doubt it would be a typo mistake from Borofergie.
People do comment, It's not always on show for other members to read. quote (which is why no-one else commented on it as such); unquote. That is all. Finished. With very best wishes RRB
 

Morning dawnmc I am so sorry to hear of your parents being diagnosed with diabetes. It must of come as a big shock to them and to you as well. Older people find change so hard and a big worry. I hope they DO get all the proper advice and help they need. Please give them my best wishes RRB
 
Actually RRB, they don't seem to be overly concerned, they are both carrying on as tho nothing has happened. Mum says she will be dead before it has any impact, and dad has finally stopped drinking at 80 lol. They aren't getting any advice at all, just following the party line and trusting the doctor.
 

Sorry xyzzy, but whats the difference? Isnt that exactly what Benedict and DCUK are saying?
 
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