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Fruit. Enemy or Freind?

Bet he tasted good. Lol
 

I do not see fruit as an enemy, rather I was quoting a question Gary asks at the beginning of the presentation. It makes sense to me that the amount of fruit and the availability of it coupled with high carbs could cause problems. Personally, I have had no qualms about giving it up and do not particularly miss it.
 
Apples spikes my blood
 
I read that eating fruit before a meal is better for your system and not afterwards. Just wondering what you all feel about it.

I havn't tested specifically for this scenario but I have learned that having a small apple after a meal does have a neglible effect on some people. The carbs in fruit are so readily and speedily taken up that I think it would be wiser to slow this process down by having it after a meal. This is for us as Diabetics, of course.
 
Thank you for that. I had the skin prick allergy testing years ago. Egg white were low as well as raw sweet potato. All other suspects were fine. Who eats raw sweet potato? But I will say as soon as I eat a tiny amount of cooked sweet pot I’m comatos asleep for an hour and then groggy for more hours. I like the yolk better anyway but often used the white. As said, I’m ditching all egg for a bit. I used to make homemade mayo and for some reason stopped. Yup, felt horrible, legs and ankles swelled huge and exhausted so took them out for years. Then they came back as occasional. One a week maybe. Recently lots more. Did an egg fast for three days. Gained weight even though I was sick and not eating much of anything but eggs. Craved them. That’s never a good sign for me. I ‘ feel like’ something is fine but cravings are not. I’ll see how this goes and if the headaches stop. I ‘feel like’ salmon a lot now. Good replacement. I’m sure the little bits of Brie isn’t helping but one at a time. Don’t want to pass out like you. That’s nasty.
How are you with nuts? I question those as well but are great to my bs for snacks. And on my melted Brie. Not sure which will be next. Brie or nuts. Both dairy and nuts have come in and out of my diet.
 
Im ok with nuts thankfully. The main things I reacted to were
Eggs (whites and yolks), cows milk, cheese and yogurt ( goat was better), nightshades, carrots, tea, coffee, sugar,, white rice (although brown was ok), bananas, chicken,sweetcorn
 
Im ok with nuts thankfully. The maan things I reacted to were
Eggs (whites and yolks), cows milk ( goat was better), nightshades, carrots, tea, coffee, sugar, white flour, white rice ( brown was ok), bananas, chicken,sweetcorn
Wow that must be very challenging for you. You must be feeling better now that you know and can avoid the food that you react to.
 

This is an interesting one.

Eating fruit after a proper meal, with cream, is better for slow release and lower spikes to blood glucose.
But i have read (originally in The Hay Diet, but also seen in several other places) that fruit ‘should’ be eaten alone, or before meals. The reasoning for this is apparently because fruit is not digested in the stomach, so if it is eaten alone the fruit passes straight through the stomach to where it can be rapidly digested in the small intestine. Hence the quick sugar dump into the bloodstream.

By the same thinking, if fruit is eaten at the end of the meal, the digestion takes much longer, tagging along after protein and other foods are digested, which can lead to fermentation of the fruit, gas, and a restless tum. I guess this is for people who prefer rapid dumping of sugar into the bloodstream to flatulence!

I’ve never experienced this myself (but then i haven’t eaten large amounts of fruit in a v long time) but i do know that gut transit time can make a big difference to all sorts of things, from speed of glucose spikes to gut unrest, so i think it is a reasonable theory... depending on individual tolerances.
 
Hi hotpepper
Yes it makes life interesting! I noticed last year that I was getting a lot of joint pains and a cnstant runny nose which I thought might be related to dairy and eggs having crept back in since Ive been low carb so I eliminated them alongside teaa and coffee in Early Nov and things are much improved. I have just reintroduced small amounts of organic butter and natural yogurt but need to limit them in both amount and frequency
 

This is why we advocate testing, as individuals we have to weigh up all the variables. One reason why I think that those with T2 whether on meds or not should be prescribed/buy a meter. I understand that the NHS could not withstand the cost given that T2 is at epidemic proportions but it could save money in the long run as well as saving lives and improving health. Perhaps in the future...
 
Thank you for this, but am I right in saying that fruit will raise blood sugars quicker if taken alone before a meal, is fruit not passed quickly from blood stream on it's own or am so wrong?
 
I felt the same way before I cut out all
Grains. There where some mornings I could barely move. I am much better now but have noticed since that I haven’t been very careful in the last few months and the aches are back.
 
Thank you for this, but am I right in saying that fruit will raise blood sugars quicker if taken alone before a meal, is fruit not passed quickly from blood stream on it's own or am so wrong?

It is the fructose that for some people is the problem. Fructose ends up in the liver and can add to the fatty liver a lot of those with T2 have. Fatty liver is thought by some to be a major player in insulin resistance, by lowering carbs we can get rid of some of that fat in the liver and improve our chances.
 
Thank you for explaining this.
 

Yes and I can remember that eggs went from the healthy "Go to work on an egg"! of my youth to being cholesterol and salmonella laden little bombs.... and now it's back to nice healthy keto bacon and eggs every day for breakfast everyone!

So I tend to take everything with a pinch of salt - and that is either bad for me - or an essential on a low carb diet...

Robbity
 
I think Gary Fettke makes sense when he points out that eating more fruit in order to be healthier/avoid specific illness, has no scientific foundation other than that our ancestors would enjoy its rarity in their diet and its sweetness. But this is difficult for me to deal with as I grow raspberries, redcurrants, blackcurrants, strawberries, figs, quinces, persimmons
 
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