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Steve - I've been looking at the cumulative effect of carbs on BG lately. I've found that the body can deal with 1 off "binges" much better than it can deal with a slightly elevated carb intake over time.

Everything in moderation in reverse, I suppose! <<ducks>>>
 
Hi just thought I would mention that sausages can raise your bs tremendously. I was diagnosed with Diabetes just 2 hrs after I had eaten 2 sausage and mash for dinner. I left them off for nearly 3 years but now find I can eat the Lidl Beef sausage with no problem.
 
Patch said:
Steve - I've been looking at the cumulative effect of carbs on BG lately. I've found that the body can deal with 1 off "binges" much better than it can deal with a slightly elevated carb intake over time.

Everything in moderation in reverse, I suppose! <<ducks>>>
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Patch, do you have a source for this idea of yours ?

AFAIK the digestive system deals with each meal as it comes. The components are then used to fuel the body and any excess is stored as fat or excreted from the body. Only in this way could you say that carbs are stored !

However, if you eat a meal with a lot of fat then that meal takes far longer than usual to digest. So, in theory, a heavy fat meal eaten at 13.00 could still be being digested at 17.00 when you may eat again so in that way the carbs that you ate at 13.00 would have a knock on effect on your Bg levels at 17.00.
 
clearviews said:
My version of a Big Breakfast is
2 rashers of bacon (never lean)
1 scrambled egg
Half a tomato
1 slice homemade VLC bread (1-2 grams carbs)fried in the dripping
couple of slices of zuchinni
several mushrooms

Cholesterol continues to improve without medication and is in an extremely happy place.
No longer make marmalade or jams and don't even have them in the pantry any longer.
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clearviews could you if you dont mind please pm the receipe for the bread you make that has only 2g carb per slice.
bread in my biggest down fall such a low carb substitute would be great
 
sugarless sue said:
Patch said:
Steve - I've been looking at the cumulative effect of carbs on BG lately. I've found that the body can deal with 1 off "binges" much better than it can deal with a slightly elevated carb intake over time.

Everything in moderation in reverse, I suppose! <<ducks>>>
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Patch, do you have a source for this idea of yours ?

AFAIK the digestive system deals with each meal as it comes. The components are then used to fuel the body and any excess is stored as fat or excreted from the body. Only in this way could you say that carbs are stored !

However, if you eat a meal with a lot of fat then that meal takes far longer than usual to digest. So, in theory, a heavy fat meal eaten at 13.00 could still be being digested at 17.00 when you may eat again so in that way the carbs that you ate at 13.00 would have a knock on effect on your Bg levels at 17.00.
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That's what I read ( a while back!) too, Sue. But my own experiences tel me otherwise. In my body, at least, regular carb consumption (even at relativeley low levels) DOES have a cumulative effect.

P.S - I'm not talking cumulative between meals, more like over the course of days or weeks (certainly overnight). Fat slowing down the process wouldn't really explain it...
 
My theory (I'm allowed to have theories, right?) - is that my body can deal with one of incidents of high (ish) carb intakes much better than it can deal with a contstant bombardment of carb intake at low (ish) levels.

Think of it as my body storing up the strength/energy (but don't get energy confused with calories!) to deal with carbs on the odd ocassion. If it is bombarded with carbs daily, it does not have the time to recover between bouts, and my BG creeps up.

A spike never fully recovers back to normal pre-carb levels, and the next low (ish) intake of carbs causes another spike, with the original spike only half recovered. Now, these spikes may not even push my BG up by more than 1mmol, but if it only recovers by 0.5mmol before the next small spike, the Cumulative Effect starts to take hold.

The Cumulative Carb Effect. (Copyright: Patch 2011).
 
Your levels are never going to be at the same level all day though !

There are so many other factors that can raise your levels unrelated to Diabetes and carb intake. Stress, exercise, the fact that at different times of day our bodies can cope better with carbs ( insulin response) than at others.

You may have a good deal of Insulin resistance which slows things down as well. Maybe you should experiment by not eating carbs at certain times of day to see when you are most susceptible to them. Do you eat between meals ? This can have a knock on effect as well. I very rarely eat anything between meals.
 
Sue - I don't need help or advice re: my own diabetes managment. I know me very well.

P.S - why have you edited my post, but left your own insults towards me intact? You've also not left the marker indicating that my post was edited.

THAT's against forum policy.

We're on that slippery slope again. When did I upset you? We used to get on so well. :)
 
Patch.
You seem very touchy just now ? Have you checked your Bg level....... :)

You made a humorous comment about big words which was answered by Sue. Sue made a humorous comment in return. Nothing wrong with that surely.

I edited your post for uneccesary comment aimed at Sue. You have a problem with that discuss it with me........

As for Forum Policy......I think we know what that is thank you.
 
Patch, why put something on if you don't want it discussed ? This is a Discussion Forum after all.

As for the comments. I took that as banter...didn't you ? :roll:

P.S have you factored in all the protein you eat as well. 60% of that turns to glucose don't forget.
 
Ken said:
I edited your post for uneccesary comment aimed at Sue. You have a problem with that discuss it with me........
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Love to. Why didn't you make a note in the post with a reason for editing it? (Your policy). And if Sue was only taking it as banter, surely she could edit it herself? Also - I don't suppose you kept a record of my comment do you? I can only remember the first part of it.

Sue said:
As for the comments. I took that as banter...didn't you ? :roll:
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I did. Ken didn't. :lol:

Sue said:
P.S have you factored in all the protein you eat as well. 60% of that turns to glucose don't forget.
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That is certainly not correct for me. 60% converted to glucose? Do you have a source for that? What is the equivalent conversion rate for carbohydrate?
 
Patch, if you want to question decisions do it by PM system that is forum policy.

Your first comment and mine were taken as banter, your second which was edited however was NOT taken as banter ! That was a joint decision.

As for protein converting to glucose in low carb, it is a human biological function in everybody. See here for explanation.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19970&p=182378#p182378

It is well documented if you Google it as is the conversion of carbs to glucose.
 
Out of curiosity....I was under the impression that if a post was edited by "the powers that be", then that post was then marked as edited, otherwise all manner of sneaky editing could, in theory, be happening. :?
 
viv1969 said:
Out of curiosity....I was under the impression that if a post was edited by "the powers that be", then that post was then marked as edited, otherwise all manner of sneaky editing could, in theory, be happening. :?
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Any posts which may need to be edited are always in accordance with the stated rules of this Forum. There is no 'sneaky' editing. However from a little while back all posts which have to be edited now have a comment made, even if it might embarass a Member.

Any enquiries/comments regarding moderation should be directed via the pm system in accordance with Forum Policy.

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Patch said:
My theory

A spike never fully recovers back to normal pre-carb levels, and the next low (ish) intake of carbs causes another spike, with the original spike only half recovered. Now, these spikes may not even push my BG up by more than 1mmol, but if it only recovers by 0.5mmol before the next small spike, the Cumulative Effect starts to take hold.

The Cumulative Carb Effect. (Copyright: Patch 2011).
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If your 'spike' has not returned to normal before your next meal Patch, then I would suggest you are eating your meals too close together. You should always give your food time to be digested before you eat again.
 
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