Type 2 General Question...(i think)

[ACG]

I have been type 2 for the past 10 years or so, currently on statins, 4xMetformin, 2xGlycaside (sorry about spelling) and weekly ozempic injection. Quite frankly I'm board with it all now and have decided to stop all of my medication later in the year. My question is, I already have elevated numbers on my liver function, I'm 55 year old and get told every year that I should reduce alcohol intake but I drink around 30 units per YEAR, how long does it take at high sugar levels for liver to collapse?

I know this isn't what people want to see or hear. I belive I have suffered from depression for about 20+ years but have always been able to deal with it via work etc, now I'm having to work from home I have more chance to think and act on decisions I have made. My decision has been reinforced by my GP, having seen a diabetic nurse yesterday for a meds review I was sent through to see tla GP and after a minute or so conversation her words, and this is a quote "you are wasting my time, making me annoyed and angry. There are people dying at the moment and you are here not accepting help, get out and don't come back." I've made my decision, reinforced by GP I'm just trying to find out time scales

 

[xfieldok]

Wow.

What are you eating in a typical day, what was your last hba1c?

 

[zand]

Have you tried low carbing? That amount of alcohol is unlikely to have caused the problem with your liver. It's much more likely to be caused by carbs generally. The liver problem is probably causing insulin resistance which is in essence... T2. Cure the liver (which my doc told me could nt be done) and you may not need any of those drugs anyway.

www.dietdoctor.com is a good place to start.

Edit: How elevated are your liver readings? Do you have your recent results? It may not be as bad as you think.
Edit 2 : I think this is a case of bad doctor, not bad patient.
Do you have your own blood glucose meter?

 

[JoKalsbeek]

I have been type 2 for the past 10 years or so, currently on statins, 4xMetformin, 2xGlycaside (sorry about spelling) and weekly ozempic injection. Quite frankly I'm board with it all now and have decided to stop all of my medication later in the year. My question is, I already have elevated numbers on my liver function, I'm 55 year old and get told every year that I should reduce alcohol intake but I drink around 30 units per YEAR, how long does it take at high sugar levels for liver to collapse?

I know this isn't what people want to see or hear. I belive I have suffered from depression for about 20+ years but have always been able to deal with it via work etc, now I'm having to work from home I have more chance to think and act on decisions I have made. My decision has been reinforced by my GP, having seen a diabetic nurse yesterday for a meds review I was sent through to see tla GP and after a minute or so conversation her words, and this is a quote "you are wasting my time, making me annoyed and angry. There are people dying at the moment and you are here not accepting help, get out and don't come back." I've made my decision, reinforced by GP I'm just trying to find out time scales

My liver was so far gone they thought it was a tumerous mass. Once it turned out to be non-alcoholic fatty liver disease ("an abnormal stacking of fat on the liver") I was told they'd see me again once it turned to cirrhosis, because there's nothing that can be done about it. (And being a teetotaller, I was often asked about my hidden alcoholism. Gee, thanks.) Currently my liver function's returned to normal, and the only way to see it ever was fatty is to go an ultrasound. So you can fix it, same way you'd fix your blood sugars: low carb, high fat eating. It's not exectly a cure-all, but it comes very close. Only thing is, with depression in the mix, it's an uphill battle. You can be given the tools to fix both your liver and your blood sugars, but you'll have to stick with it. Motivation's a problem to us sometimes. I know I'm doing everything I can to stay alive for my husband and my mum, because I've been suicidal since I was 11. (Made it to 41 regardless! ) Keep in mind that people like your doc are at the end of their tether right now. Having seen the doc's assistant yesterday for a shot, they're running ragged. Which might be why patience was lost with someone whose mind keeps throwing up obstacles, which is what they tend to do when you're like us.

So... While she seems to have given up on you, while she's completely overwhelmed with the corona situation, there's no reason for you to give up on you. You can quit the medication this year, most likely... But because you won't need it anymore. https://josekalsbeek.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-nutritional-thingy.html have a read there. Maybe order dr. Jason Fung's the Diabetes Code, visit dietdoctor.com. I have the dubious perk of being a borderliner, and we tend to get obsessive about things, which made getting into this lifestyle/diet relatively easy. But there's no reason why you wouldn't try. Maybe just to show them that you're not a hopeless case after all. Plus.... Depression gets worse when blood sugars run high. Get your numbers under control and you might actually start seeing silver linings. I know it's done that for me.

Good luck,
Jo

PS: Do be careful if you start down this path, because your current dosages of Gliclazide and Ozempic will make you hypo if you low carb, so don't be reckless and and test your heart out!!!!!! Normally I'd say do this with your GP in the mix, but... I don't think she'd be open to it right now. If you think she might be though, that'd always be the better option.

 

[zand]

@ACG Wouldn't it be wonderful to go to your appointment next year with great blood tests results? Your doc would probably say ' I see you finally listened to me' ' No, I finally stopped listening to you....'

 

[Franz26]

Hello Sir. I can't really answer your question on how long would it take for the liver to collapse because of high sugar levels but If you kind of not taking your meds (i feel you since I kind of hate drinking my meds too) you should try exercising like walking or jogging around your house so that you can at least increase your insulin sensitivity as what i have read and you also mentioned that you have depression, 30 minutes or more of walking or jogging could would actualy make you feel better (well it kinda works for me) . The covid-19 is really scary and in these times it is best for diabetics like us to maintain our sugar levels. Take care of yourself sir

I have been type 2 for the past 10 years or so, currently on statins, 4xMetformin, 2xGlycaside (sorry about spelling) and weekly ozempic injection. Quite frankly I'm board with it all now and have decided to stop all of my medication later in the year. My question is, I already have elevated numbers on my liver function, I'm 55 year old and get told every year that I should reduce alcohol intake but I drink around 30 units per YEAR, how long does it take at high sugar levels for liver to collapse?

I know this isn't what people want to see or hear. I belive I have suffered from depression for about 20+ years but have always been able to deal with it via work etc, now I'm having to work from home I have more chance to think and act on decisions I have made. My decision has been reinforced by my GP, having seen a diabetic nurse yesterday for a meds review I was sent through to see tla GP and after a minute or so conversation her words, and this is a quote "you are wasting my time, making me annoyed and angry. There are people dying at the moment and you are here not accepting help, get out and don't come back." I've made my decision, reinforced by GP I'm just trying to find out time scales

I have been type 2 for the past 10 years or so, currently on statins, 4xMetformin, 2xGlycaside (sorry about spelling) and weekly ozempic injection. Quite frankly I'm board with it all now and have decided to stop all of my medication later in the year. My question is, I already have elevated numbers on my liver function, I'm 55 year old and get told every year that I should reduce alcohol intake but I drink around 30 units per YEAR, how long does it take at high sugar levels for liver to collapse?

I know this isn't what people want to see or hear. I belive I have suffered from depression for about 20+ years but have always been able to deal with it via work etc, now I'm having to work from home I have more chance to think and act on decisions I have made. My decision has been reinforced by my GP, having seen a diabetic nurse yesterday for a meds review I was sent through to see tla GP and after a minute or so conversation her words, and this is a quote "you are wasting my time, making me annoyed and angry. There are people dying at the moment and you are here not accepting help, get out and don't come back." I've made my decision, reinforced by GP I'm just trying to find out time scales

 

[ACG]

Wow.

What are you eating in a typical day, what was your last hba1c?

My diet isn't brilliant but a lot better than it use to be, I know I eat too many carbs, but I don't eat much veg, don't like it so do eat more potato's, pasta and rice than I should. As to hba1, last reading was November at 66 down from 90. Just had bloods taken again for next test, but when I first went onto an injectable I had to sign a contract that if weight or hba1 didn't decrease by 10% then it would be taken away and I'm expecting my next results to be going in the wrong direction

 

[KK123]

My diet isn't brilliant but a lot better than it use to be, I know I eat too many carbs, but I don't eat much veg, don't like it so do eat more potato's, pasta and rice than I should. As to hba1, last reading was November at 66 down from 90. Just had bloods taken again for next test, but when I first went onto an injectable I had to sign a contract that if weight or hba1 didn't decrease by 10% then it would be taken away and I'm expecting my next results to be going in the wrong direction

Hi there, so you've made your decision already by the sound of it (to stop your medication), can you tell us what you are going to do instead if anything?, ie are you thinking of changing your eating habits or 'lifestyle' in any way? If so, there are many people on here who can help or inspire you. Please let us know your goals and although we would all say 'speak to your Dr first', it seems you have already done that. x

 

[xfieldok]

What sort of things do you like to eat? Perhaps we can point you to some low carb alternatives.

 

[bulkbiker]

My diet isn't brilliant but a lot better than it use to be, I know I eat too many carbs, but I don't eat much veg, don't like it so do eat more potato's, pasta and rice than I should. As to hba1, last reading was November at 66 down from 90. Just had bloods taken again for next test, but when I first went onto an injectable I had to sign a contract that if weight or hba1 didn't decrease by 10% then it would be taken away and I'm expecting my next results to be going in the wrong direction

You sound like an ideal candidate for carnivore?

Zero veg, fruit or cereals just meat, fish, eggs and dairy.. does that appeal?

 

[ACG]

thanks for the comments I am unable to post a reply to anything on the thread - I just get a message "reply is SPAM" try again later

 

[Rokaab]

thanks for the comments I am unable to post a reply to anything on the thread - I just get a message "reply is SPAM" try again later

If you are quoting anything that has a link in it (or are adding your own links) that may be the reason as you are not allowed to post links until you reach a certain post count (I think), so if you quote something just remove the link from the quoted post and you then may be able to happily reply.

 

[Brunneria]

Hi and welcome @ACG your posts are appearing OK on the thread.

Are you attempting to post links? If so, they will be rejected by the system until you have made a few more posts. It is a security measure to prevent new members signing on and then immediately flooding the forum with SPAM.

 

[ACG]

I will try to reply to comments this way as it seems to let me at least do something:
ZAND:
Its hard to get actual numbers from my doctor, usually just get satisfactory or high, something like that. If I remember though, the idal reading should be 40 or lower and mine were around 150 (I think)
I do blood test usually once a day at around 10AM before I have anything to eat, readings for the last 2 or 3 months are around the 12 to 14 and occassionally up to 17, a few months back this would have been in the 9.5 to 10.5 area.

KK123:
Yes I've made my decision, I'm not planning on doing anything I'm just going to live my life how I want on my terms, eat & drink what I want, when I want, exercise how I want when I want - basically give up

BULKBIKER / XFIELDOK:
I don't eat much veg, I do eat fruit and usually eat meat 3 or 4 times a week and fish 1 or 2 times with other days being the chicken burgers, beans on toast type of thing. Most days I have sandwiches at lunch time and then with my main meal whatever I'm having will usually have Pasta, Rice or Potatos of some sort

 

[bulkbiker]

I don't eat much veg, I do eat fruit and usually eat meat 3 or 4 times a week and fish 1 or 2 times with other days being the chicken burgers, beans on toast type of thing. Most days I have sandwiches at lunch time and then with my main meal whatever I'm having will usually have Pasta, Rice or Potatos of some sort

Its the heavy carbs like pasta rice and spuds that are bad..
Bread usually bad too along with beans in sugary sauce..

Do you have your own meter and measure your blood sugars after eating?

 

[ACG]

Have you tried low carbing? That amount of alcohol is unlikely to have caused the problem with your liver. It's much more likely to be caused by carbs generally. The liver problem is probably causing insulin resistance which is in essence... T2. Cure the liver (which my doc told me could nt be done) and you may not need any of those drugs anyway.

www.dietdoctor.com is a good place to start.

Edit: How elevated are your liver readings? Do you have your recent results? It may not be as bad as you think.
Edit 2 : I think this is a case of bad doctor, not bad patient.
Do you have your own blood glucose meter?

Its hard to get actual numbers from my doctor, usually just get satisfactory or high, something like that. If I remember though, the idal reading should be 40 or lower and mine were around 150 (I think)

I do blood test usually once a day at around 10AM before I have anything to eat, readings for the last 2 or 3 months are around the 12 to 14 and occassionally up to 17, a few months back this would have been in the 9.5 to 10.5 area.

 

[ACG]

Hi there, so you've made your decision already by the sound of it (to stop your medication), can you tell us what you are going to do instead if anything?, ie are you thinking of changing your eating habits or 'lifestyle' in any way? If so, there are many people on here who can help or inspire you. Please let us know your goals and although we would all say 'speak to your Dr first', it seems you have already done that. x

Yes I've made my decision, I'm not planning on doing anything I'm just going to live my life how I want on my terms, eat & drink what I want, when I want, exercise how I want when I want - basically give up

 

[ACG]

You sound like an ideal candidate for carnivore?

Zero veg, fruit or cereals just meat, fish, eggs and dairy.. does that appeal?

I don't eat much veg, I do eat fruit and usually eat meat 3 or 4 times a week and fish 1 or 2 times with other days being the chicken burgers, beans on toast type of thing. Most days I have sandwiches at lunch time and then with my main meal whatever I'm having will usually have Pasta, Rice or Potatos of some sort

 

[bulkbiker]

basically give up

What we are trying to suggest is that living without medication can be perfectly feasible .. It's not "giving up" it can be "taking control".

However of course it's your body your call...

 

[Brunneria]

Your nurse wins the double awards for Most Rude and Most Tactless. Quite an unpleasant achievement, I think.

Being a contrary kind of person, my reaction is always to reject such behaviour. So in your place I would not be folding under their pressure, stopping meds and treatment and effectively giving up.

Instead I would be incensed enough to absolutely, determinedly prove them wrong. Anger is, I find, a wonderful motivator. And if it took work, self education, determination and some pretty comprehensive dietary changes then so be it. www.dietdoctor.com would be a good launchpad for this. Backed up by the support and information available here on the forum, some members here know exactly what it is like to be treated like that.

Oh, and I would also be making a formal complaint.

I appreciate that healthcare workers are under the most terrible stress and fear of their working lives. They deserve my heartfelt admiration and appreciation for everything they are doing during this current coronavirus crisis. But that doesn't entitle anyone to speak to you as if you are not worth wiping off the sole of their shoe.