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bulkbiker said:
I think I have eaten it already....


every time I see it on offer I get some more for the freezer... prices have gone up a lot recently.
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Arrgh more scare stories. I shall have to start stockpiling it! I still can't get my head around the amount of double cream I buy every week.
 
Well, I think we know who to blame for the shortages.... walks away whistling....
 
thanks @bulkbiker :) after reading it, I don´t think it can be used as evidence of anything... after a week of low carb.. it can be so much else that has gone wrong for the old woman and also maybe something that was already in progress even before she stopped eating carbs..., on the other hand some very old people are very fragile, I remember my mother telling me that some very old people could be so weak that even a shower could be hard for them to recover from... I don´t think it is wise to advise a very old person to change lifestyle very drastically unless the previous lifestyle is about to kill the person...I know of an 80-year-old Mexican man each time he eats like the hospital advice him for type 2 diabetes he becomes severely ill and also lose his otherwise very fine optimism... as soon as he sins and eat exactly what he wants to eat he thrives and enjoys his life....
 
As it's being discussed and I can't find the original. If inappropriate please report or delete.

Statement regarding BBC Wales news coverage

Statement made on the 3rd of November, 2017

For the avoidance of doubt, we do not advocate—and have never advocated—a ‘no carb’ diet. We endorse the general principle of carbohydrate restriction generally, and a Low Carbohydrate High Fat diet (LCHF) together with moderate exercise as a means of maintaining a healthy blood glucose level, which is instrumental in mitigating the long term complications of the disease. We follow and endorse The Public Health Collaboration and also the Low Carb Programme.

A recent publication by the Noakes Foundation, ‘Diabetes Unpacked’ has also informed and guided our approach.

This approach has a proven track record of lowering blood sugar levels, reducing high blood pressure, lowering harmful LDL Cholesterol and improving beneficial HDL Cholesterol levels. It has also been very successful in helping diabetes sufferers lose weight and regain long lost energy levels.

The work of Dr David Unwin with support groups, and the improvements to patients lives that he has achieved over five years is a continuing inspiration for the value of simple lifestyle changes.

LCHF has also been endorsed by Diabetes UK on their own website in May 2017:

“The current evidence suggest that low-carb diets can be safe and effective for people with Type 2 diabetes. They can help with weight loss and glucose management, and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. So, we can recommend a low-carb diet for some people with Type 2 diabetes.”

Diabetes.cymru is a division of Diabetes Support (Wales) Limited, an independent company—a fact clearly stated on our website, and in all correspondence. http://diabetes.cymru is our registered and wholly-owned internet domain.

Our role is to create support groups for Diabetes sufferers all over Wales; to provide lifestyle education and information to our members; to assist members to make informed lifestyle choices; and to provide the support and motivation to help people combat their disease. Our role is intended to supplement current efforts to combat what is a growing serious problem, and we are happy to continue to discuss ways of avoiding confusion about our identity with Diabetes UK Cymru and other interested parties. Our focus is on helping diabetes sufferers to make life changing lifestyle choices that will benefit the patient and reduce the cost of treatment.

We do not offer medical advice—we cooperate with medical professionals in assisting patients to help themselves. All our members are encouraged to discuss any changes that they might want to make in their lifestyle with their GP before making changes.

The usual consequence of a Type 2 Diabetes sufferer embracing a low-carb lifestyle is that they are able to reduce medication quite quickly, and cease taking medication entirely in many cases over a period of time. Type 1 Diabetes sufferers are also able to reduce their insulin doses substantially by reducing their carbohydrate intake. We believe that by reducing the burden of costly drugs to the NHS, LCHF lifestyle is helping patients to help themselves, but also to help the country as a whole. That’s before we consider the burden of all the costly and unpleasant complications that are blighting the future of approximately 200,000 people in Wales right now.

My own journey as a Type 2 diabetic has led me to understand the seriousness of the disease and to increasingly adopt the LCHF diet, and I’m grateful to the BBC for two programmes that helped me substantially:

Diabetes: The Hidden Killer
BBC Panorama

and

Fats v Carbs
BBC Wales

We are dismayed and disappointed about these reported allegations by Diabetes UK, as all we are trying to do is make a difference to peoples lives through simple changes in lifestyle and diet.

We do not comment on hearsay or unsubstantiated third party reports, but remain very willing to discuss and review our working practices in light of experience.

Sincerely,

Eryl Vaughan
Director, Diabetes Support (Wales) Ltd
 
woodywhippet61 said:
As it's being discussed and I can't find the original. If inappropriate please report or delete.

Statement regarding BBC Wales news coverage

Statement made on the 3rd of November, 2017

For the avoidance of doubt, we do not advocate—and have never advocated—a ‘no carb’ diet. We endorse the general principle of carbohydrate restriction generally, and a Low Carbohydrate High Fat diet (LCHF) together with moderate exercise as a means of maintaining a healthy blood glucose level, which is instrumental in mitigating the long term complications of the disease. We follow and endorse The Public Health Collaboration and also the Low Carb Programme.

A recent publication by the Noakes Foundation, ‘Diabetes Unpacked’ has also informed and guided our approach.

This approach has a proven track record of lowering blood sugar levels, reducing high blood pressure, lowering harmful LDL Cholesterol and improving beneficial HDL Cholesterol levels. It has also been very successful in helping diabetes sufferers lose weight and regain long lost energy levels.

The work of Dr David Unwin with support groups, and the improvements to patients lives that he has achieved over five years is a continuing inspiration for the value of simple lifestyle changes.

LCHF has also been endorsed by Diabetes UK on their own website in May 2017:

“The current evidence suggest that low-carb diets can be safe and effective for people with Type 2 diabetes. They can help with weight loss and glucose management, and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. So, we can recommend a low-carb diet for some people with Type 2 diabetes.”

Diabetes.cymru is a division of Diabetes Support (Wales) Limited, an independent company—a fact clearly stated on our website, and in all correspondence. http://diabetes.cymru is our registered and wholly-owned internet domain.

Our role is to create support groups for Diabetes sufferers all over Wales; to provide lifestyle education and information to our members; to assist members to make informed lifestyle choices; and to provide the support and motivation to help people combat their disease. Our role is intended to supplement current efforts to combat what is a growing serious problem, and we are happy to continue to discuss ways of avoiding confusion about our identity with Diabetes UK Cymru and other interested parties. Our focus is on helping diabetes sufferers to make life changing lifestyle choices that will benefit the patient and reduce the cost of treatment.

We do not offer medical advice—we cooperate with medical professionals in assisting patients to help themselves. All our members are encouraged to discuss any changes that they might want to make in their lifestyle with their GP before making changes.

The usual consequence of a Type 2 Diabetes sufferer embracing a low-carb lifestyle is that they are able to reduce medication quite quickly, and cease taking medication entirely in many cases over a period of time. Type 1 Diabetes sufferers are also able to reduce their insulin doses substantially by reducing their carbohydrate intake. We believe that by reducing the burden of costly drugs to the NHS, LCHF lifestyle is helping patients to help themselves, but also to help the country as a whole. That’s before we consider the burden of all the costly and unpleasant complications that are blighting the future of approximately 200,000 people in Wales right now.

My own journey as a Type 2 diabetic has led me to understand the seriousness of the disease and to increasingly adopt the LCHF diet, and I’m grateful to the BBC for two programmes that helped me substantially:

Diabetes: The Hidden Killer
BBC Panorama

and

Fats v Carbs
BBC Wales

We are dismayed and disappointed about these reported allegations by Diabetes UK, as all we are trying to do is make a difference to peoples lives through simple changes in lifestyle and diet.

We do not comment on hearsay or unsubstantiated third party reports, but remain very willing to discuss and review our working practices in light of experience.

Sincerely,

Eryl Vaughan
Director, Diabetes Support (Wales) Ltd
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Everything mentioned on that website appears to be the sort of thing talked about and encouraged on here, nothing extreme.
 
I can only imagine as someone else stated that she may have been given metformin, I can well remember hanging over the loo puking for England, thinking I needed the hospital I was so ill. Gps dish out pills to the elderly without thinking whether they can take them properly.
 
I have to comment as someone else has already, that medical opinion these days is divided. I saw two GPs, the second of whom did tell me about LCHF. I don't know whether it's from personal experience or other patients, but she very clearly does endorse it and I'm glad she did because it has helped me massively. She is not a youngster responding to a fad, but understands that what she learned when trained is now in question. The first GP and the practice DSN aren't in the same place but that doesn't mean anyone is 'wrong', just have different experience for whatever reason. My BG has come down in a few months, and my Cholesterol is now in the 'acceptable' range in spite of a big increase in fat.

From my point of view, if the conventional low fat diet worked for everyone, I wouldn't have got where I was. On diagnosis I was initially told to change to low fat spread (which I had used for thirty years) wholemeal bread (forty years) and so on. All the things I was told to switch to, I already ate. In the weeks that followed my diagnosis, I had a very small portion of the only 'no added sugar' breakfast cereal I could find and had a massive reaction.

So, I am not going to tell anyone what to eat. But I do tell people what worked for me. I'm not going to say anything against people who don't agree, but at the same time, as I have just done, I am prepared to defend the LCHF way as something that works for some people, and is gaining support amongst qualified and experienced HCPs.
 
Tannith said:
Neither have I seen any evidence that it is safe to eat large quantities of any one of the individual types of fat. On the contrary, there are countless warnings against eating anything but minimal amounts of saturated fats.
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What you weren't able to say is that you've seen any evidence that saturated fat is bad for you. So you're left to rely on 'warnings'.
When I was a boy I was warned I'd go blind if I followed a 'bad habit'. The fact that someone demonised saturated fat some 40 years ago (Ancel Keys) makes that no more true than me going blind. It was all based on dodgy science. Since then mainstream teaching has followed this course rejecting things we've eaten for years (millenia even) and recommending unnatural alternatives (such as healthy spreads).
The evidence of health outcomes since Ancel Keys shows that health advice for the last 40 years has been wrong. Heart Disease up.
Many who follow LCHF do so because they see health professionals prepared to look beyond their 'teaching', realise there was never any satisfactory evidence to back it up and be prepared to go against the stream.
Remember, GPs are simply that, GENERAL PRACTITIONERS, who'll receive minimal training on a wide range of topics.
When an increasing number of specialists, such as cardiologists go against standard teaching we should all ask why.
Many LCHFers will also have looked carefully into it, reading books, articles, listening to lectures, discovering they were lied to with dodgy research, skewed trials etc. Cardiologists and some GPs come along and confirm this.

It's admittedly difficult to accept that HCPs might not be telling us the truth even when they believe it to be.

I'll admit that some may have health conditions that don't tolerate a low-carb approach but note that many say the best predictor of heart risk is trigs/HDL ratio. The best way to improve that ratio is to limit carbs.

I repeat. The hard part is accepting we were 'misled' however unintentionally. To contemplate that induces fear in some and they prefer to trust advice and warnings.

I know that some former members saw this forum as a 'tea and sympathy' forum. If that's all it ever were I'd be off like a shot.

We need to
1. ensure new members are told what this forum is/isn't.
2. alert Moderators when this rule is being breached

Geoff
 
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