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Hba1c Falling

Chrisgee

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Around december 2017 I was diagnosed as type 2 with an HBA1C of 59. At the point I gave up 90% of the sugar I was eating. (I had also given up smoking 6 months before after 45 years) I am taking 4 x 500mg metformin per day.
I had a blood test in May and HBA1C had dropped to 47, I had another blood test last week (late june) and HBA1C is now at 44.

I have heard nothing from the GP surgery about these results (they are probably auto-filing them as they are within acceptable ranges)

Does anyone have any experience of such a drop ? It is over 20% down in 6 months. Any advice much appreciated.
 
Hi there and welcome.
Good news.. you are back in the pre diabetes category maybe try reducing the carbs in your diet a bit more and you can get to "normal" levels. Sounds like you are doing everything right. I experienced a drop from 87 to 27 over an 8 month period so its not unheard of although your surgery probably won't have seen too many examples.
 
Well done! Not sure of what advice you are after but if it is a pat on the back from your GP you may have to wait a while. I reduced my A1c from 98 to 43 in four months. The DN and GP are strangely silent on the matter. To be fair, if you are managing well the HCPs are happy enough and will be concentrating their efforts on those who struggle to manage their condition well. As long as you are being called in for your reviews (feet, bloods and eyes etc) then carry on with what you are doing because you are doing great.

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Well done! Not sure of what advice you are after but if it is a pat on the back from your GP you may have to wait a while. I reduced my A1c from 98 to 43 in four months. The DN and GP are strangely silent on the matter. To be fair, if you are managing well the HCPs are happy enough and will be concentrating their efforts on those who struggle to manage their condition well. As long as you are being called in for your reviews (feet, bloods and eyes etc) then carry on with what you are doing because you are doing great.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I think the main advice I was looking for would be about medication. I didnt react well to metformin and had to change to the SR version. They are slightly better but would love not to be taking any medication. Would like to hear if other people have stopped metformin and how they have been.
 
Thanks for the encouragement. I think the main advice I was looking for would be about medication. I didnt react well to metformin and had to change to the SR version. They are slightly better but would love not to be taking any medication. Would like to hear if other people have stopped metformin and how they have been.
I only took it for 3 weeks of toilet-tied hell.
Results are in my signature.
 
Chri post: 1827043 said:
Thanks for the encouragement. I think the main advice I was looking for would be about medication. I didnt react well to metformin and had to change to the SR version. They are slightly better but would love not to be taking any medication. Would like to hear if other people have stopped metformin and how they have been.
I still take Metformin but plan to stop taking it by the end of the year. Metformin can make a small difference to blood glucose levels so my thinking is that once you feel that your bg levels are at a good place then you should discuss discontinuing with it with your GP/DN. Some people simply cannot tolerate Met but if diet managed they can come off it safely.
 
Does anyone have any experience of such a drop ?
HI My HbA1c dropped from 52 to 35 in 3 months through following a low carb diet. I saw the diabetic nurse and she wasn't keen on 'too low carb' and I had to tell her what carbs I did eat! The GP is fully supportive and I have an HbA1c every 3 months to keep an eye on things. I'm still at 35 another 6 months on.
So keep up the good work, and keep having the tests. Have you had eye and feet tests? Or an appointment with the diabetic nurse? If not, chase up your surgery - you are entitled to them.
 
It feels like a such a rip off to give up smoking and THEN get diagnosed with diabetes, right? I've been fortunate not to have had any of the really awful side effects of Metformin. I think there's a lot to be said for starting on a low dose and gradually increasing it. Another thing I've read is that if you stop it, even for just a few days, you will have the full force of the side effects if you suffer them as if you'd just started it for the first time. You can get very good control with diet, but you have to be prepared to stick to a diet which is very low in carbohydrates, generally speaking. Luckily, there are still loads of very delicious things you can eat which aren't loaded with carbs, although it must be said, most of them are very much yummier when coupled with carbohydrates! I can't say how much difference the metformin is making to my HBA1C, but I've seen a drop from 8.9% - 5.2% in 3 months by being very, very strict with my carbs. I don't have any plans to stop the metformin at this stage. Good luck with continued improvements!
 
Welcome to the forum @Chrisgee. Well done on your HbA1c reduction - and for giving up smoking!
You need to make an appointment to see your gp to discuss reducing or giving up medication. They aren't all proactive.
I have to make all my appointments myself, they don't contact me. I am registered for online access to test results, reorder meds and make appointments.
 
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BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

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The role of carbohydrate

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Does anyone have any experience of such a drop ? It is over 20% down in 6 months. Any advice much appreciated.

Mine reduced 65% in 3 months.

My GP hardly reacted other than saying keep doing what you are doing.

Since then I have had two different GP's at two different surgery's and neither has been able to understand my results.

I try to explain to them that is is easy, and by not eating the things that raise BG, gaining control can be achieved.

Well done with what you have achieved so far, and best wishes for the future.

Don't expect too much help or encouragement from HCP's unfortunately, there are not many out there who are enlightened enough to understand that T2D doesn't have to worsen over time.
 
Does anyone have any experience of such a drop ? It is over 20% down in 6 months. Any advice much appreciated.

HbA1c was 11%(97) when diagnosed...dropped to 5.5%(37) after 3 months of carbs lite fats friendly diet...with some intermittent fasting.

Sounds like you are moving in the right direction...
 
Well done on the reduction and giving up smoking! I had a drop from 76 to 48 in three months, due to low carb eating, which essentially for me was cutting out bread, pasta, sweets, potatoes. Wasn’t put on any meds so don’t know what the effect of meds is/isn’t firsthand. But I do know a lot of it is changes you’ve made :)
 
Well done on your achievements! I was diagnosed in May ‘17 with an HbA1c of 70, after 2 months it was 45 and after a further 2 months it was 36. Each time I’ve been reviewed my GP has said to book myself in for another blood test in x month’s time and book an appt with him for a week later to discuss the results. If your surgery doesn’t call you up, why don’t you just book an appt. with your GP, especially if you want to discuss reducing your meds?
 
Around december 2017 I was diagnosed as type 2 with an HBA1C of 59. At the point I gave up 90% of the sugar I was eating. (I had also given up smoking 6 months before after 45 years) I am taking 4 x 500mg metformin per day.
I had a blood test in May and HBA1C had dropped to 47, I had another blood test last week (late june) and HBA1C is now at 44.

I have heard nothing from the GP surgery about these results (they are probably auto-filing them as they are within acceptable ranges)

Does anyone have any experience of such a drop ? It is over 20% down in 6 months. Any advice much appreciated.


in my case the metformin did lower my HbA1c with around 1 mmol in average daily so I am sure it also lowered my HbA1c a lot, and when also looking at ones food choices and lowering the carb level in general most people do get a much better result, most can even get down to totally normal nondiabetic levels if the consistently eat less than 100-150 grams of carbs in total in a day... if you do that I am sure you can get back to normal ... but it doesn´t necessarily mean that your diabetes is cured sooner it means your diabetes is well controlled ... good luck with it all
 
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