Help needed post gliclazide

anderson3000

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hi, my first post , I've been diagnosed for a few years but now am trying to get to grips and my goal is to get off all my pills. In the belief that I am a 'fat diabetic' , meaning if I wasn't so overweight I wouldn't be a diabetic.
Recently I had to go onto glicazide(spelling is probs wrong) on top of my two metformin pills....I was on them for about 4 weeks at the end of which time I had GAINED 6-8 pounds, plus felt constipated and bloated so decided to stop....two days after coming off and 3 pounds are off already :) and I am trying very hard not to eat all the naughty things that have caused my problem s starting with no snacks after supper...but today my bs level shot up to 14.8 from 8.3 , so clearly the glyclacyde is exiting my body.....I have got totally messed up trying to do low carb high fat plus avoiding fruit plus looking at calories ....is there an easy guide to low carb high fat that doesn't involve just eating mushrooms(coz in allergic) ?!?! Please be gentle with me as I feel like a total failure right now ...thanks Cathy
 

magsiesss

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My doc suggested I keep on the Glic until my levels had reached 60 (when diagnosed last month they were 141% or 23.5)

I haven't lost weight and my doc thinks, based only my brilliant results so far, I should have - so he has requested more blood tests. I have to wait a few day before I can do the tests again as they can only be done every 2 months as a minumum.

Has your doc ruled out thyroid? (which is another of the tests I am to have done)
 

Daibell

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Hi and welcome. Gliclazide can cause weight gain but only if your carb intake is too high as it stimulates the pancreas to produce more insulin and the body then stores more carbs as body fat. If you have excess weight (and blood sugar) then Metformin is usually the first stop together with a low-carb diet. Personally, but I don't know your circumstances, I wouldn't expect the Gliclazide to help with weight loss but it might or might not help with blood sugar reduction. Perhaps others can suggest links to books and websites that cover low-carbing in depth. For breakfast I have eggs and bacon, for example and only a small portion of home made muesli with cold milk. We don't buy biscuits or cake and try to have meals based on meat & fish. We do have cheese, nuts etc and some non-tropical fruit. Do check the labels of things you buy in the supermarket and look for the total carbs figure as manufacturers put carbs into everything including savoury dishes.
 

bulkbiker

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hi, my first post , I've been diagnosed for a few years but now am trying to get to grips and my goal is to get off all my pills. In the belief that I am a 'fat diabetic' , meaning if I wasn't so overweight I wouldn't be a diabetic.
Recently I had to go onto glicazide(spelling is probs wrong) on top of my two metformin pills....I was on them for about 4 weeks at the end of which time I had GAINED 6-8 pounds, plus felt constipated and bloated so decided to stop....two days after coming off and 3 pounds are off already :) and I am trying very hard not to eat all the naughty things that have caused my problem s starting with no snacks after supper...but today my bs level shot up to 14.8 from 8.3 , so clearly the glyclacyde is exiting my body.....I have got totally messed up trying to do low carb high fat plus avoiding fruit plus looking at calories ....is there an easy guide to low carb high fat that doesn't involve just eating mushrooms(coz in allergic) ?!?! Please be gentle with me as I feel like a total failure right now ...thanks Cathy

Hi Cathy and welcome..
I'll tag @daisy1 for the intro to low carbing and would suggest you take a look at www.dietdoctor.com for a quick and easy guide to LCHF. If you want to get your sugars down cut out as many carbs as possible..
 

anderson3000

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Thank you all very much....it's amazing feeling to have the ability to call on you all for advice.....I know glyclacyde (spelling sorry) was only supposed to help control the blood sugar and help reduce it , sadly one side effect is the weight gain....seems like a double whammy.....my biggest problem is snacking (I think..ok I know ...chocolate, biscuits, mainly the latter , sometimes also crisps) ....have recently invested in nuts (Brazil,cashew,macadamia and peanut...avoiding almonds due to being asthmatic and being warned they are not good for asthmatics) ...big step two nights not eating Anything after supper....now have to tackle late afternoon binging....suggestions that don't include raw carrot would be most welcome....
Love all things fattening...favourite meal right now is smoked salmon, sour cream, fake caviar, in homemade pancakes....note there is a total lack of veg in that !!! ...
 

Totto

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I think snacking is bad for you. Eat proper meals instead with a good amount of fat in them to fill you up and if you keep the carbs to a minimum you'll probably find that both your weight and BG will normalise.

Check out Ditch the Carbs, a very good LCHF site.

And of course Dietdoctor.
 

daisy1

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@anderson3000

Hello Cathy and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, in particular the link to the Low-Carb Program. Ask more questions if you want and someone will come and help in addition to the many replies you have received already.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS
Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Cat0409_

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Hi Cath from another.
I don't take Metformin but have up until today taken gliclazide as well as insulin.
I've been low carbing for about 13 weeks and in that time lost 5 kgs which has now stopped . I know I am very insulin resistant however have dropped not only my insulin basal dosage but as of today dropped my gliclazide.
The first thing I did was throw out 3 boxes of goodies , a friend was very grateful to take them. No others have entered the house since.
I tend not to snack as I know that leads me to me waiting more and more.
I use my slow cooker alot, eat leads of eggs, bacon, and things like tomatoes, avocado, broccoli and cauliflower and yummy spinach.its not always fresh as I also make use of frozen.
If I can get my BS down to between 4 and 6 while on gliclazide and insulin as well as losing 5kgs you should be able to do it too with all the support, recipes and information that is available here on diabetes.co.uk
Im cheering for you Girl!!

PS. My OH who is not diabetic and has joined me low carbing but eats about 50g of carbs a day more than me has lost 9.6kgs in the same time. And we only do gentle exercise of lawn Bowls about 3 times a week
 
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Daibell

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Hi Cath from another.
I don't take Metformin but have up until today taken gliclazide as well as insulin.
I've been low carbing for about 13 weeks and in that time lost 5 kgs which has now stopped . I know I am very insulin resistant however have dropped not only my insulin basal dosage but as of today dropped my gliclazide.
The first thing I did was throw out 3 boxes of goodies , a friend was very grateful to take them. No others have entered the house since.
I tend not to snack as I know that leads me to me waiting more and more.
I use my slow cooker alot, eat leads of eggs, bacon, and things like tomatoes, avocado, broccoli and could and yummy spinach.its not always fresh as I also make use of frozen.
If I can get my BS down to between 4 and 6 while on gliclazide and insulin as well as losing 5kgs you should be able to do it too with all the support, recipes and information that is available here on diabetes.co.uk
Im cheering for you Girl!!

PS. My OH who is not diabetic and has joined me low carbing but eats about 50g of carbs a day more than me has lost 9.6kgs in the same time. And we only do gentle exercise of lawn Bowls about 3 times a week
For info my Son who was 19 stone last Summer decided to low-carb for various reasons and within 6 months was down to 12 stone and has stayed there.
 
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anderson3000

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Thank you all for your info and supportive comments...for the first time I have checked my bloods during the day ...currently waiting for the two hour gap after my supper to see what effect it had. I have managed not to snack this afternoon (unheard of) due to having whilst not perfect , a lunch, that had some things that fitted the HFLC rules....more importantly by not chomping on the usual late afternoon naughtiness, I realise I've not had the dip and the desperate need for more junk.....I'm off to look at all the web sites you have recommended . Best wishes to you all
 
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