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Help with beating T2 Please...

Spike2016

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hello everyone,

I was diagnosed with DT2 in June this year. It's been a steep learning curve ever since, and have read several books and looked things up on the internet. I am currently on (well nearly) the 'Newcastle Diet' approach.

I'm doing OK - I have lost over 10kg, BS well controlled and I'm gradually reducing my Gliclazide dose.

But here's the thing. What happens afterwards? Hopefully I ditch the medication, have great BS levels, etc. But am I cured? Have read lots of texts talking about 'curing diabetes', but none really get carried away about afterwards. How to eat, exercise, etc.

Can anyone help with this - have you reversed DT2? And what are doing to keep this terrible thing away??

Thanks, Paul
 
Welcome to the forums @Spike2016 ,

Firstly, congratulations on the weight loss, very impressive and it will definitely assist your glucose control.

From my experiences on the forum, I would say that you need to manage your expectations. Yes it is quite plausible that you can reverse your diabetes and many forum members have done it. But having reversed it, you are unlikely to be able to return to a non-diabetic lifestyle and will have to monitor your condition from this point forward.

Whether or not you can survive without med's , only time will tell. I'll ask @daisy1 to give you some reading material.

Good luck.
 
if one gets rid of diabetes 2 , and one can again regulate insuline ... I guess the statistics of weightloss if starting to eat like before is maybe even worse for earlier diabetics than for the rest of the worlds population..

if overweights loose their overweight there is an in average 1/167 chance to keep of the weight seen in a 10 years periode...

and if you gain all the weight back..... then you are back to start...

therefore it must be a "must" to forever change ones ways of eating. even if lucky to be cured. but of cause a seldome free meal like before can´t hurt if one returns to wieght maintenance
 
Hi and welcome to the forum. I am 'diet controlled' and I have been for nearly 2 years now. It is a steep learning curve but at least you have been doing your research and you have found the forum. Its all about finding the right balance, I eat LCHF because it suits me and it keeps my BS within the normal ranges. There are many different approaches and for many it is possible to reach non diabetic levels and keep them there but it does take commitment.
 
I will repeat what my GP told me on my most recent appointment he said you at this moment are not diabetic but you will always be a diabetic therefore I will not remove you from the register.

It's a life long commitment to a change in life style. I now feel like I am on the edge of an abyss one wrong step and I'm a gonner., fall off.
 
Hello everyone,

I was diagnosed with DT2 in June this year. It's been a steep learning curve ever since, and have read several books and looked things up on the internet. I am currently on (well nearly) the 'Newcastle Diet' approach.

I'm doing OK - I have lost over 10kg, BS well controlled and I'm gradually reducing my Gliclazide dose.

But here's the thing. What happens afterwards? Hopefully I ditch the medication, have great BS levels, etc. But am I cured? Have read lots of texts talking about 'curing diabetes', but none really get carried away about afterwards. How to eat, exercise, etc.

Can anyone help with this - have you reversed DT2? And what are doing to keep this terrible thing away??

Thanks, Paul

For now, focus on tight control. If you're willing to carefully manage carbs, that can make dramatic differences very quickly - which makes it much easier to persist.

I'm working on remission (the Newcastle/Blood Sugar diet approach). I'm pretty darn close. I have moved from diabetic to prediabetic (based on OGTT). I have not tested recently, but my BG levels suggest that I'm very close to being non-diabetic. They've been running 4.1 - 6.1. even an hour post eating.

I couldn't do the full 8 wks on the blood sugar diet the first time around because of a cancer diagnosis. I'm back on it (until the end of the day) for a second 5-week stint. I'm about to move back to a maintenance calorie level - but still low carb for a while. After I've maintained for a while, I'll do another OGTT and see how it comes out.

I won't consider myself in remission until I can eat as many carbs as I want and have a normal blood glucose response. I won't ever consider myself cured.
 
I have lost 45 pounds in 6 months and have managed to go from 10.9 A1C to last week 5.9.
With that I would say I have controlled my BS. But I have tested this week with bakery desserts and my BS went up to 9.8
So even though with HFLC I am controlled, I don't believe I can ever go back to the way I was eating before.
It was a "healthy" way of eating, I thought, but it was not healthy for me. My body can not tolerate any grains.
 
I am afraid you are probably stuck with dietary control for life. How strict you need to be depends on your individual body. No two people are the same. First thing is to get to a place where your weight and BS are under control and then you can experiment with your own individual tolerances.
 
Well done on the weight loss, that is fantastic and will go a long way to help you feel better in so many ways I am sure.
 
@Spike2016

Hello Paul and welcome to the forum :) Here, as mentioned above, is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this useful. Ask more questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Even if I do end up in "remission", I'm not going to give up my LCHF eating plan as I'm enjoying it far too much! I'm also enjoying all the walking. I feel so much better and I want to stay that way.
 
It doesn't go away.
After four years LCHF my DN was convinced that I wasn't actually diabetic. I hit a time of great unhappiness and lost interest in my diet. Lo and behold Hb shot up to 8.5.
It's ok, you just climb back on the wagon.
 
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